Gators S/SS Entries - Page 2

Don Kennedy · 01-26-2018, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I don't understand what is so difficult about the current system, or why entering a national event is viewed as some sort of birthright.

If you want to race a national, support the series to the point that you won't have a problem. If you get shut out, try harder next year or find something else to do.

"The present system of grade points and national championship points is broken" The way to race is who spends the most money in going to races and in winning the championship,.
NHRA is the only sports organization that lets "Professionals" compete against amateurs in the world > ,let the bullets fly lol

HR9121 · 01-26-2018, 08:35 PM

You can attend all the races you want but if you don't make rounds you will not be a player in the National points I don't care how much money you got.
If you claim 8 races with 1st round losses you won't even make the top 200 in Stock.
I had a motor failure last year and lost a bunch of races because of the time of year it happened, got 4 grade points and right now I am shut out of the Gators. Oh well **** happens but I will keep watching and probably get in if the provisionals wait till the last weekend. Same thing has happened alot of these races fill up early but people drop.

Charley Downing · 01-26-2018, 09:01 PM

Wtf is wrong with you guys. This topic gets brought up every year. If you want to race national events then get 6 grading points. It’s that simple no one at nhra gives a **** about your schedule or how far you travel to go to get them. Quotes have been down for years now. Do you think I wanted to travel 1000 miles round trip to St. Louis last fall ? No but I know it’s going to take 4 plus to get into a few national events I wanted to attend.
The system is not broken the people that race understand it

Frito · 01-26-2018, 09:59 PM

What Charlie Bob said.

James Perrone · 01-27-2018, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Wtf is wrong with you guys. This topic gets brought up every year. If you want to race national events then get 6 grading points. It’s that simple no one at nhra gives a **** about your schedule or how far you travel to go to get them. Quotes have been down for years now. Do you think I wanted to travel 1000 miles round trip to St. Louis last fall ? No but I know it’s going to take 4 plus to get into a few national events I wanted to attend.
The system is not broken the people that race understand it

True. That,!!!!! Charlie Bob. On the $$$.

Angelo DiTocco · 01-27-2018, 05:53 PM

Not that it matters any at this point..... but anyone who has been around long enough would remember..... before NHRA began implementing these quotas..... when fields were basically open to 128 entries..... none of this grade point stuff was an issue. You had to have at least one grade point to enter a National Event but I don't recall anyone getting shut out of a race they wanted to attend. It's the limits on entries that is responsible for this problem. Through out the 90's - before quotas - at the National meets here in the Northeast, I remember the number of SS entries being somewhere between 80 & 90 cars.... and Stock between 95 & 115. The Div 3 races were probably a bit higher than these but not by a tremendous amount.
We all know these numbers declined over time. It would be interesting to know the exact number of racers (in all the sportsman categories) who aren't getting in to national events that they would actually otherwise attend. It may not be all that many. With that data, it's possible the SRAC reps could request that quotas be adjusted so that the racers who fall into the above category would have the opportunity to get in to the one or two national meets they'd like to attend. IDK - maybe I'm totally off base here. The whole thing isn't really that important to me.... To those that it is still important to.... if you don't have the time to make it to more points meets to build up grade points.... you could consider showing up with rental car right before tech closes, pay the entry, get teched in, and turn around and go home. It's essentially buying grade points.... I personally wouldn't do it.... but if running a national event is that important to some it might be worth it.

Mark Yacavone · 01-27-2018, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Wtf is wrong with you guys. This topic gets brought up every year. If you want to race national events then get 6 grading points. It’s that simple no one at nhra gives a **** about your schedule or how far you travel to go to get them. Quotes have been down for years now. Do you think I wanted to travel 1000 miles round trip to St. Louis last fall ? No but I know it’s going to take 4 plus to get into a few national events I wanted to attend.
The system is not broken the people that race understand it

Ron Ortiz · 01-27-2018, 10:05 PM

Charlie and James, I agree with you 100% on the present situation. But in all honesty, I think it is totally unfair. We used to go to races when there were 128 car fields. People in their home division could attend and there was plenty of room for out of division racers. Now it is a total joke with NHRA's implementation of quotas.

We should not be against each other because of NHRA's disregard of the sportsman racer. And that is what it boils down to. Why are there only limited spots available, BS, I see racer against racer due to this fiasco.

I just don't understand this nonsense. Why should any racer be relegated to this format.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA BS

Ed Carpenter · 01-29-2018, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I don't understand what is so difficult about the current system, or why entering a national event is viewed as some sort of birthright.

If you want to race a national, support the series to the point that you won't have a problem. If you get shut out, try harder next year or find something else to do.

Nice attitude.....Some people work for a living and can't make 15 races a year......just saying.......

Don Kennedy · 01-29-2018, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

Nice attitude.....Some people work for a living and can't make 15 races a year......just saying.......

Lenny
One of the issues in the west are there are very few Drag strips . I lived in Phx closest was Chandler 30 miles further away was Somona 16 hour away then Denver 16 hours away then the closets was Vegas 6 hours away the Fontana 6 hours away and that my friend is the problem , All the racers know how to get grade points it is a given but the amount of travel is huge compared to back east and the racing population is about 70 % less racers ,a racer hurts something and misses a race or two then they are locked out even for a year. of course saving the money going to a National event may not be all that bad ,except I have a lot of friends That I enjoy at the national event s

01-26-2018, 08:35 PM	#2
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,467 Likes: 146 Liked 3,363 Times in 731 Posts	Re: Gators S/SS Entries You can attend all the races you want but if you don't make rounds you will not be a player in the National points I don't care how much money you got. If you claim 8 races with 1st round losses you won't even make the top 200 in Stock. I had a motor failure last year and lost a bunch of races because of the time of year it happened, got 4 grade points and right now I am shut out of the Gators. Oh well **** happens but I will keep watching and probably get in if the provisionals wait till the last weekend. Same thing has happened alot of these races fill up early but people drop. __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA. SS/JA

01-26-2018, 09:01 PM	#3
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 762 Likes: 16 Liked 653 Times in 89 Posts	Re: Gators S/SS Entries Wtf is wrong with you guys. This topic gets brought up every year. If you want to race national events then get 6 grading points. It’s that simple no one at nhra gives a **** about your schedule or how far you travel to go to get them. Quotes have been down for years now. Do you think I wanted to travel 1000 miles round trip to St. Louis last fall ? No but I know it’s going to take 4 plus to get into a few national events I wanted to attend. The system is not broken the people that race understand it __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 01-26-2018 at 09:03 PM.

01-26-2018, 09:59 PM	#4
Frito Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 454 Likes: 151 Liked 119 Times in 40 Posts	Re: Gators S/SS Entries What Charlie Bob said. __________________

01-27-2018, 05:53 PM	#6
Angelo DiTocco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY, NY Posts: 750 Likes: 175 Liked 189 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Gators S/SS Entries Not that it matters any at this point..... but anyone who has been around long enough would remember..... before NHRA began implementing these quotas..... when fields were basically open to 128 entries..... none of this grade point stuff was an issue. You had to have at least one grade point to enter a National Event but I don't recall anyone getting shut out of a race they wanted to attend. It's the limits on entries that is responsible for this problem. Through out the 90's - before quotas - at the National meets here in the Northeast, I remember the number of SS entries being somewhere between 80 & 90 cars.... and Stock between 95 & 115. The Div 3 races were probably a bit higher than these but not by a tremendous amount. We all know these numbers declined over time. It would be interesting to know the exact number of racers (in all the sportsman categories) who aren't getting in to national events that they would actually otherwise attend. It may not be all that many. With that data, it's possible the SRAC reps could request that quotas be adjusted so that the racers who fall into the above category would have the opportunity to get in to the one or two national meets they'd like to attend. IDK - maybe I'm totally off base here. The whole thing isn't really that important to me.... To those that it is still important to.... if you don't have the time to make it to more points meets to build up grade points.... you could consider showing up with rental car right before tech closes, pay the entry, get teched in, and turn around and go home. It's essentially buying grade points.... I personally wouldn't do it.... but if running a national event is that important to some it might be worth it. __________________ Angelo DiTocco '98 Firebird SS/HA '98 Firebird B/SA

01-27-2018, 10:05 PM	#8
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Gators S/SS Entries Charlie and James, I agree with you 100% on the present situation. But in all honesty, I think it is totally unfair. We used to go to races when there were 128 car fields. People in their home division could attend and there was plenty of room for out of division racers. Now it is a total joke with NHRA's implementation of quotas. We should not be against each other because of NHRA's disregard of the sportsman racer. And that is what it boils down to. Why are there only limited spots available, BS, I see racer against racer due to this fiasco. I just don't understand this nonsense. Why should any racer be relegated to this format. Ron Ortiz U/SA BS __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK