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Old 12-06-2017, 12:43 PM   #61
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I understand what you're saying, but how many of these top class cars show up to every race except Indy? or divisional meets for that matter? Still trying to learn the ins and outs here, how does the ladder dodging work? When I show up I don't want to be dead meat on a stick.
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It really depends on the area you're racing in. Some divisions seem to have a lot of cars in 1 or 2 classes like for instance division1 has alot of really fast A and B cars and G and H cars as well. Like was said previously ladder dodging is just trying to get yourself on a side or corner away from the really fast cars qualifying in a particular position. If I was running I for example and there was 3 or 4 cars there really fast qualified at the top of the sheet I could put myself at the bottom and avoid a potential heads up for at least the first round. Sportsman ladder is different than a pro ladder. You can Google sportsman ladder and get examples of different car counts.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:12 PM   #62
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If you have such a disdain for bracket racing, how do you stand being at the track with bracket racers?
It's a struggle............
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:28 PM   #63
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It's a struggle............
I find it kinda strange with the state of Class Racing and the area of the US you live in that you feel this way.... Can't we all get along ?
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:56 PM   #64
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It really depends on the area you're racing in. Some divisions seem to have a lot of cars in 1 or 2 classes like for instance division1 has alot of really fast A and B cars and G and H cars as well. Like was said previously ladder dodging is just trying to get yourself on a side or corner away from the really fast cars qualifying in a particular position. If I was running I for example and there was 3 or 4 cars there really fast qualified at the top of the sheet I could put myself at the bottom and avoid a potential heads up for at least the first round. Sportsman ladder is different than a pro ladder. You can Google sportsman ladder and get examples of different car counts.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:12 PM   #65
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It's a struggle............
Finally, a truthful answer on here.....LOL.....
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:03 PM   #66
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Mainly lack of time because of work is why I don't go and screw up the points at the local tracks . The big money races can be fun. Jason sorry to hear your out of the seat for sometime but its for reason and most of us have been there . See you at Hersey .
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:15 PM   #67
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"...how does the ladder dodging work?..."

I assume it means you purposely run a slower or quicker qualifying time, to put yourself on the same side of the ladder with the faster guys in your class. That way, some of 'em will get beat before the late rounds, therefore lessening your chances of having a heads up race, with a quicker car.

In the Pro classes, for round 1, I think #1 runs #16, #2 runs #15, #3 runs #14, and so on.

But I've never bothered to see how they set the Stock & SS ladders, at div & National events. So, I too am interested in seeing it explained here.
Bobby Fazio has some software to assist you with how to get advantaged placement on a ladder. See the link...

http://www.collegevilleautorepair.co...addersoftware/

Also several tracks (for example Sacramento) has a resources tab on their website where you can print out all the conceivable ladders. Think some of the top racers play the ladder?...you betcha.
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Old 12-11-2017, 04:11 AM   #68
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For me and my car, answers 1 & 7 fit best.

1 because with a 15sec car, there's a big difference between the payouts of Stock vs the Sportsman Bracket. Of all the high dollar bracket races I read about, I don't recall them including cars that run in the 15's , and if they do it's at tracks more than 500 miles from me. Although I race against Pro Et quick cars in Stock, my car isn't quick enough to race in that bracket, because of the et break for Pro Et being I believe 13.99.

7. Where I chose to live, half if not most of the bracket races in Az., are done in the late afternoon to night time. I prefer racing in the daytime, but although I had a very good bracket racing career while living in Denver, I moved here to Phoenix for the weather, my health, and to be closer to tracks that hold Stocker races.

Someday I will attend a bracket race or two, because the competition is just as good as class racing, and I could use the extra competition to sharpen up my racing skills. However, for my budget right now, it's class racing only.

If NHRA drops class racing, I will modify my car to run 13's, so I can race in Pro Et, by canning the MFI/computer and replacing it with either a 350 or 500cfm Holley, on a older carburetor manifold, or an Edelbrock (if they even make manifolds for my V6 engine).
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:50 AM   #69
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If NHRA drops class racing, I will modify my car to run 13's, so I can race in Pro Et, by canning the MFI/computer and replacing it with either a 350 or 500cfm Holley, on a older carburetor manifold, or an Edelbrock (if they even make manifolds for my V6 engine).
How will dumping EFI to go to a carburetor make that much difference in ET?
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:09 PM   #70
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How will dumping EFI to go to a carburetor make that much difference in ET?
We both know Gary is mistaken, don't we Darrel?
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