Crate Motor Class

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Cost effective, reliable, fun.
Classes that does not require fragile pitchy super high winding expensive Stocker Engine.

Dan! I think you nailed it! I've got to start spinning the guts out of my stuff and paying more for it! I'm just having too much fun.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

The new generation of kids are not going to build a $50,000 Stocker.
They will buy a new car add headers, gears, converter, slicks, tune.

Sadly, no they won't.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Sadly, no they won't.

Nope. The next generation of kids are spending half that, to race for twice as much.

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Concur !
FWIW I am gathering information focused on reviving the concepts of Pure Stock, Junior Stock and Crate Motor under one Class Structure.
If NHRA becomes interested can be merged into existing NHRA Classes Indexes.

One of the key elements developing rules are for the newer cars.
Would create a Bolt-On Class for Stock.
Reviving the Junior Stock for cars using the Blueprinted Cams.
Adding CM engines to add to the mix.
Use a Max Seat Pressure Spring Rule toning down the cam and add mufflers.

Cost effective, reliable, fun.
Classes that does not require fragile pitchy super high winding expensive Stocker Engine.
That was what Modified Production was suppose to be.

Looking at the 2066 and new generation aspirated cars like Chevy SS, Cudas, Darts, Mustangs, Caddys that have V-6's and V-8's.
Several racers were trying to get their late model combinations certified by IHRA before the boom.
Lot of Stocker guys had the new cars and wanted to race them in Pure Stock.
Got calls on it often.

The new cars and racers are the cornerstone of the future.
Flexibility of being able to use a larger engine in GT or easy to get CM helped IHRA a lot.

The new generation of kids are not going to build a $50,000 Stocker.
They will buy a new car add headers, gears, converter, slicks, tune.
Most are driveway mods and are racing then at the local tracks.
These Bolt On Classes were the rage when the LT1 Camaros and B-Bodys came out in the late 90's early 2000.

Another sources of cars are PureStockDrags.
Have been collaborating with some of the key members.

Crate Motor and GT were great ideas to extend Stock.
Loved the fact you can pop in a 455 in place of a 305 or 350.

Aftermarket industry loved the CM cars.
Now producing new Aluminum Replacement Heads based on original castings.
Stock Ports, Combustion chamber and screw in studs.

I see in the future a new rule coming allowing these Head Replacements and even intake manifolds for Stock.
Good original castings are scarce competing against the restoration industry.

One other thing and was a very true statement.
Most of us are well over 50, 60 and 70 years old.
In the next ten years most of us will be making other decisions.

Regardless if the new generation of racers are not invited they will look at other venues.
You have to market and sell to this generation or they will not come.

AND one day Class Racing will become a note in History Books.

D

Thanks for all your hard work! Maybe some day we wont be the black sheep of the herd. I cant believe how stubborn some people are when it comes to this stuff. Its the same as a traditional stocker with more HP, weight and if accepted 3 tenths off what the IHRA index was....so my stocker that will run .9 under is now .6 under....wow thats a huge threat on the qualifying sheet. Way less of a threat that any Copo or Drag Pack.

[tomcraig]

A drag pack, copo and cobra jets are nothing but crate motor cars.

[Chris1529]

Originally Posted by tomcraig

A drag pack, copo and cobra jets are nothing but crate motor cars.

That sure is a mouthful. ouch.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro

Thanks for all your hard work! Maybe some day we wont be the black sheep of the herd. I cant believe how stubborn some people are when it comes to this stuff. Its the same as a traditional stocker with more HP, weight and if accepted 3 tenths off what the IHRA index was....so my stocker that will run .9 under is now .6 under....wow thats a huge threat on the qualifying sheet. Way less of a threat that any Copo or Drag Pack.

Thank you CrateCamaro...
You don't get things done by being a Wall Flower.
Keep pushing until you get results!

My Dad taught us about persistence, work, especially to think.
Passion to succeed came from inside if you were going to survive ...!
He had his horrible side too like too much alcohol, mean and abusive.
But had his kind days and kept an eye out for us.
Like a home to come too when times were bad..and they did get bad.
For some reason would never come to any of my races. That hurt !

Last Dec 10th he passed away..
It was a tough end of year celebration!
Somehow it makes you stronger!

FWIW we are having a Good Conversation !
To make it clear I have never bashed anyone or any Racing Body or Association.
Have been interceptive, professional and polite in my responses.
Unlike some of the rude comments I have received.

I deeply respect the all the Automotive Associations.
They work their butts off to give us a platform to race.
Especially Refereeing rules that racers seem to find a nuance to.

The evolution and cost of Stock Eliminator has gone nuts!
Nobody bashed Bill Nees when he built his Dime Racers.
Yet racers are bashing others because they find more sensible ways to race.

PS, CM, GT were good solutions to extend the life of Stock.
NHRA had to create FI and FS Classes to meet a need.
NHRA does not have to invent anything to on-board these classes.

Regardless, adding any of the Classes did not kill IHRA or NHRA.
Some bone headed decisions did not help.

The NUMBER ONE Reason why Racers did not run IHRA ???
IHRA ran at 1/8th mile tracks.
It was the number one complaint on Class Racer why IHRA events were not attended.
This exacerbated the decisions that IHRA decided to take to survive.

At the Mike Carr S/SS TriState Meet at Mason Dixon.
The Southern Bracket Association Bracket Racers were bitterly complaining about having to run 1/8th mile.
Seems to be a huge pattern of expectations.
Though nothing wrong running 1/8th mile.

The BOTTOM LINE
IHRA failed because racers did not defend their sport !


Dan

[James Perrone]

You 2 ain’t getting ****. Done.
I think you 2 have it all wrong. Your begging and pleading for a miracle yet you keep insulting the people that are Class Racers
Don’t need no pure stock or crates motor
Nhra has SS modified for you crate boy. Add weight to your SS car cause that’s what it is in Nhra
Delusional Dan work on your car. Buy a car.
By the way my mustard is Frenches yellow.Nothin fancy
Crate Boy. Maybe ask Santa for some help

[Dan Fahey]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Ed Wright]

The number one reason I heard from guys not running IHRA was much reduced already lower purses for low car counts, which they always had. They had so few contingencies, most were for things most don't use. Winning, or just going rounds, did not pay what everyone was used to. Had to play musical decals. It was still 1/4 mile IHRA races around here when I quit going. I tried to run both a few years ago. Officials were very friendly, tech was pretty lax. Small rubber checks did it for me.

And, other than some bracket racers, few guys like 1/8th mile racing.