77/78 ford ltd/ mercury marquis 460 - Page 2

Jack Matyas · 12-25-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

Who cares if the HP is right or wrong? I always thought that drag racing was build a car that you like and believe is competitive, put a dial in on the window and stage it. Being on the top of sheet or the bottom of the sheet won't mean a thing late Sunday afternoon when they hand you the clip board and a pencil.

Charlie - Do you really believe Billy Nees is building a combination that is bad ? Being at the top of the sheet is his main objective without any doubt .Billy does like to go rounds but flexing his muscles while using little or no money is certainly his forte .........

Dick Butler · 12-25-2013, 03:17 PM

Billy, I agree us old F***ts could manage one of these cars and still have a good time driving. Often think about one of my most successful cars which was a 69 chevelle wagon which was a week end winner locally. Easy driving. LOW maintanence.but Heavy to haul around. Have a great Christmas Billy. I was offered a 76 Caprice 2 dr with 4000, original miles. Any good options for this one?

Billy Nees · 12-25-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Charlie - Do you really believe Billy Nees is building a combination that is bad ?

Jack, you've known me since I was a kid. Have you ever known me to build a combination that was GOOD?

7423 · 12-25-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Charlie - Do you really believe Billy Nees is building a combination that is bad ? Being at the top of the sheet is his main objective without any doubt .Billy does like to go rounds but flexing his muscles while using little or no money is certainly his forte .........

Wow Jack, maybe you should lay off the egg nog.....................I NEVER mentioned anything about Billy or anyone else having a "bad" combo. Your words, not mine.

I applaud Vic and Billy for having the balls to build a car on the cheap. When they win the final on Sunday, they get the same purse and trophy that the factory car would receive.

Ed Carpenter · 12-24-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Charlie - Really ? Sure - putting five thousand pounds under the index can be fun but you must admit the real reason that there are cars like the LTD are being built is because the horsepower factor is wrong .

And trust me the 2013 season for me was no picnic .And I do consider myself a true "hot rodder" .

And a very Merry Christmas from those of us on the 'other coast'.

The same thing could be said for bogus factors on new cars. I've said it to many times, but a racer I get along with pretty good with a new car told me in Houston he was running 1.00 under at 75% throttle. Now we get along but if that isn't bogus I don't what is.

Dick Butler · 12-24-2013, 11:03 PM

I wonder when Hp will be dropped as the standard. Seems the way the factors sit and the very slow adjustments and next years bogus hps it keeps hurting everyone but those with the money to move around cars or give up if disgusted with the deal.

Gary Smith · 12-30-2013, 01:21 PM

We parted out a '78 Grand Marquis back in the early 90s, I told dad to hang on to the motor until we could determine if it was worth anything, found out it was a junk combo for GT classes, so we threw it all away. Heard the heads were "unworkable" and shortblock assy was way too heavy. Even the local marina saw no boat anchor value in them. Please tell me they're still not worth anything.

Dave Noll · 12-30-2013, 04:59 PM

The 78 is rated @ 320 & has a full point less compression. I would favor the 74. Again, Vic is probably the only one actually building one of these boats. I think what started this thread was the recent HP adjustments from NHRA, They dropped 10 off the 77/78 in stock AND the GT version of the motor. Somebody is running one in SS/GT. ?????

Ford 460 197-202 330 320 77-78 SS/GT

This thread changed my mind about having my tired 74 hauled off.

Dave Noll · 04-21-2014, 12:11 AM

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This thread changed my mind about having my tired 74 hauled off.

Yup, Especially now.

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1398053344

Mark Yacavone · 12-24-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Is that the answer? because you can?Is it a $500 car? a rocket in N? being odd for fun?
Wont there always be a more bogus combo in the weeds? Cadillac, BLown Studebaker, Vega OH cam?

Dick, Just curious what IS NOT a bogus combo in your mind?
Maybe a 4bbl SBC Stocker engine with the hp rating beat to death, that a guy would have to spend 30 Grand on to be a second under?

12-25-2013, 03:17 PM	#2
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: 77/78 ford ltd/ mercury marquis 460 Billy, I agree us old F***ts could manage one of these cars and still have a good time driving. Often think about one of my most successful cars which was a 69 chevelle wagon which was a week end winner locally. Easy driving. LOW maintanence.but Heavy to haul around. Have a great Christmas Billy. I was offered a 76 Caprice 2 dr with 4000, original miles. Any good options for this one?

12-24-2013, 11:03 PM	#6
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: 77/78 ford ltd/ mercury marquis 460 I wonder when Hp will be dropped as the standard. Seems the way the factors sit and the very slow adjustments and next years bogus hps it keeps hurting everyone but those with the money to move around cars or give up if disgusted with the deal.

12-30-2013, 01:21 PM	#7
Gary Smith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 820 Likes: 9 Liked 132 Times in 30 Posts	Re: 77/78 ford ltd/ mercury marquis 460 We parted out a '78 Grand Marquis back in the early 90s, I told dad to hang on to the motor until we could determine if it was worth anything, found out it was a junk combo for GT classes, so we threw it all away. Heard the heads were "unworkable" and shortblock assy was way too heavy. Even the local marina saw no boat anchor value in them. Please tell me they're still not worth anything. __________________ Gary Smith "another broke racer spectating"

12-30-2013, 04:59 PM	#8
Dave Noll Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Div. 6, Eastern, WA Posts: 710 Likes: 2,694 Liked 240 Times in 112 Posts	Re: 77/78 ford ltd/ mercury marquis 460 The 78 is rated @ 320 & has a full point less compression. I would favor the 74. Again, Vic is probably the only one actually building one of these boats. I think what started this thread was the recent HP adjustments from NHRA, They dropped 10 off the 77/78 in stock AND the GT version of the motor. Somebody is running one in SS/GT. ????? Ford 460 197-202 330 320 77-78 SS/GT This thread changed my mind about having my tired 74 hauled off. __________________ Dave Noll, EF/S ,?/SA 6526