Towing issues / updates

[Jeff Jewell]

It looks like nearly every race rig is illegal in New Jersey. Max width 8' and max total length 53'? Almost all race trailers are 8.5" wide. My dually and 22' trailer with RV tongue is almost 48' long. Someone with a crew cab dually and 28' box is too long in NJ...

[Bob Hochrun]

Indy Dot meeting, Any insite on what was discuss at the Indy dot meeting.

Any issues traveling to Indy?

[J.LISA]

Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco

That's f-ing unbelieveable -
she waited with you the 4 hrs???

She sure did or I would have been long gone!!

[joe176]

Joe is your Toter registered as a truck or an RV ??????....I have a DOT inspection site right around the corner from my shop...had them look at my RV and trailer registration 4 years ago and was told ..no CDL required even though it has air brakes...but he says add the trailer on the back and I would need DOT numbers, log book, safety equipment....etc....not sure if the NY laws have changed since then....gonna have to take a walk over and have them check Reg again

[Bobby Brannon]

http://www.woodalls.com/articledetai...eID=1195129#LA

Try this site may help.

[J.LISA]

Originally Posted by joe176

Joe is your Toter registered as a truck or an RV ??????....I have a DOT inspection site right around the corner from my shop...had them look at my RV and trailer registration 4 years ago and was told ..no CDL required even though it has air brakes...but he says add the trailer on the back and I would need DOT numbers, log book, safety equipment....etc....not sure if the NY laws have changed since then....gonna have to take a walk over and have them check Reg again

Joe,it is registered as a motorhome. the issue here was the cars in the trailer
the trooper told me she also pulls over horse trailers if they are race horses
then a cdl is required.The way she explained it to me if the trailer was empty
or if i was driving with no trailer cdl not required.

[C and W Racing]

Several years ago, I had checked into whether I needed a cdl. At the time that I checked, even though I race and attempt to win money, as long as I am claiming the money's that I win and not writing off any of the expences, no cdl was required. Now it I were to write off the expences, that changed it to me running it as a business and a cdl was required. Don't know if anything has changed since then, but that is what I had found out at the time. Per federal regulations which trump state requlations.
Chuck

[cicero819]

Originally Posted by J.LISA

I was pulled over in ny on 84 on my way to epping national
haulmark toter and 30ft stacker.Im lucky to get a misrible female trooper
she asked whats in the trailer me being honest says race cars,next thing
follow me to the next exit.she does a full inspect on truck &trailer including
inside trailer.long story short,since they were racecars,entry fees are being
paid and winnings being paid it becomes a federal issue therefore a cdl is
required.also a log book,an medical card.so i waited 4hrs for a friend with a cdl
to come an drive my rig away.so i suggest if ya get pulled over show car in the trailer

Joe, good thing she stayed because she could have had you towed at your expense. I can't believe she wasted 4hrs of her shift waiting there. You need to get her and whoever she answers to, and explain to them that they're wrong(49 CFR 390.3(F)(3) provides an exemption from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulation. All over Canada and the U.S. States and City are trying new ways to fill their depleted coffers and how better way than taking from the have's and giving to the have's not. Believe me there is still some good people at these DMV you just have to dig and dig until you find one that will not BS their way out of finding the right answer. Carry that law explanation with you in your vehicle and be knowledgeable enough to stand your ground.Claude Ruel

[voltdr]

I was told by the DOT TX office in Dallas, that if you connect a trailer with a GVW over 10001#, you need a CDL. The newer Duallies are rated at 14000#. My stuff weighs just over 21000#. One DPS officer said I don't need a CDL because of weight. DOT says because my trailer is rated at 12000# I do, regardless if I race for money or NOT. I doesn't matter if it's a MH or not.
Even if you are correct you still may be stuck somewhere waiting on someone with the proper CDL to move your stuff.
Dan Foley

[Jeff Teuton]

I am reasonably sure CDL does not start until 26000 lbs. Every truck manufacturers makes a special truck that the GVW is 25,900 or 25,999. GVW is determined by the axle capacities and frame. That is from many audits by the IRS and from the head of taxation for Navistar International. It is up to the manufacturer to establish this rating. I will check with someone smarter than me and get back to this string. We have 1600 leased medium and heavy trucks, and stay informed on this stuff. The IRS focuses on the 'fifth wheel' as an issue on FET which is 12% of the selling price. Motor Homes are not normally subject to this. FET starts @ 33,000 GVW or a Tractor Package. Now does a toter that is in a company name and have a fifth wheel qualify. Just another little gray area. DOT starts @ 10000 lbs is correct, but on smaller stuff normally enough tag to cover what you have is enough. The CDL he is referring to is because of the trailer. This stuff becomes Greek or Russian if you look at it long enough, and I can assure you the officers are not notebook. They just get taught the highlings like "are you getting paid" just to issue tickets. Those guys should be enforcing CMV's as the law was not designed for the amatures like us except by some gooneybird trooper that don't like race cars (boats, horses, etc). Fortunately most troopers are enforcing the laws on CMV's like they should, but that occasional one that first don't know the law, 2 don't like people places or things, and third I just don't know now. More later.