Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'

[Paul Ceasrine]

pthomasely,
Tom,

Who built the engine for the Superbird,,,,was it Bash Engine or
Chrysler Skunkworks,,,,,,
When the Superbird was sold,,,,,,to Totten & Jennings,,,,,,the
'special engine' was not included,,,,,,,as stated by Jack........

pc

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

pthomasely,
Tom,

Who built the engine for the Superbird,,,,was it Bash Engine or
Chrysler Skunkworks,,,,,,
When the Superbird was sold,,,,,,to Totten & Jennings,,,,,,the
'special engine' was not included,,,,,,,as stated by Jack........

pc

Paul
I wonder what happen to that special engine?

[John Boland]

Originally Posted by BadBanana

Rich: You said Bill went to NASCAR. Is he still there now? If so, where? I am now living in NC and if he is near Charlotte area, I would love to stoop and see him. Also, didn't Joe Tryson, out of Jenkins' shop end up there? Any info on his whereabouts?
I had one of Bill's tricked up intakes. He, or someone in his shop, even etched a diagram of a Crow on it. You guys did great work there.

Pat Tryson is Joe's son, was Kurt Busch's crew chief at Penske, haven't heard his name lately.

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by BadBanana

Rich: You said Bill went to NASCAR. Is he still there now? If so, where? I am now living in NC and if he is near Charlotte area, I would love to stoop and see him. Also, didn't Joe Tryson, out of Jenkins' shop end up there? Any info on his whereabouts?
I had one of Bill's tricked up intakes. He, or someone in his shop, even etched a diagram of a Crow on it. You guys did great work there.

Dave I don't know where Bill is these days. At one time Bill and 2 of his former employees were all working at D.E.I. at the same time. I have spoken to both of them via Facebook.....


Your intake was done by Bill.....that was his work and he always signed it with his little Crow picture. Those intakes were good and untill the Darts came along there was not many intakes that would be better.

Bill also did some Holley intakes and they were basically copies of what we saw from Lee Shepard. Runner extensions in the plenum.....Made big low end torque. Shepards work was just about the best you could get and if he did it....well it was worth copying....

Bill spent hours and hours on intakes and really hated doing them because of all the time. He did a lot of welding and grinding and then had to polish them. No way you could make any money doing those things.

I have to laugh when I think of the time he overheated his old cheezy welder and it went up in a cloud of smoke......He went and bought a big old clunker but it could tig weld all day and not overheat......

A Victor Jr for a small block was worth probably .15 on my old SS/JA 350/255 over an untouched intake.

I think you had a Chevy II for a while with that engine in the same class....

I do also remember Brenniser......He had a big Monte Carlo and came to our shop a few times.......I think he broke too much stuff and quit...... Those early days of welded and ported SS heads was no bargain.....We never did any welding on cast iron heads....Epoxy on the intake side was all that I can recall us ever doing.....

I left Crows in 1991 or 1992........Used to go there for some stuff of my own as I had a Stocker in 96-97 and had Bill do a block for me......Haven't seen him since.......

[BadBanana]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Dave I don't know where Bill is these days. At one time Bill and 2 of his former employees were all working at D.E.I. at the same time. I have spoken to both of them via Facebook.....


Your intake was done by Bill.....that was his work and he always signed it with his little Crow picture. Those intakes were good and untill the Darts came along there was not many intakes that would be better.

Bill also did some Holley intakes and they were basically copies of what we saw from Lee Shepard. Runner extensions in the plenum.....Made big low end torque. Shepards work was just about the best you could get and if he did it....well it was worth copying....

Bill spent hours and hours on intakes and really hated doing them because of all the time. He did a lot of welding and grinding and then had to polish them. No way you could make any money doing those things.

I have to laugh when I think of the time he overheated his old cheezy welder and it went up in a cloud of smoke......He went and bought a big old clunker but it could tig weld all day and not overheat......

A Victor Jr for a small block was worth probably .15 on my old SS/JA 350/255 over an untouched intake.

I think you had a Chevy II for a while with that engine in the same class....

I do also remember Brenniser......He had a big Monte Carlo and came to our shop a few times.......I think he broke too much stuff and quit...... Those early days of welded and ported SS heads was no bargain.....We never did any welding on cast iron heads....Epoxy on the intake side was all that I can recall us ever doing.....

I left Crows in 1991 or 1992........Used to go there for some stuff of my own as I had a Stocker in 96-97 and had Bill do a block for me......Haven't seen him since.......

Rich: How do I find Bill on facebook?

Franks' Monte was my old one.- SS/GTA. I sold it when I built the first of two Camaro SS/GTAs
That manifold was a GREAT piece and definitely worth something. Ralph got it for me.. I believe I had quit before the Darts got popular.

[Rich Biebel]

Dave,

Bill is not on Facebook.......I don't know where he is or how to contact him.

I have contact with 2 former Crow's co-workers and they have not mentioned where Bill is......

[Paul Ceasrine]

1970,,, NED 1 Points Meet.

[Paul Ceasrine]

I just had to post it,,,,,,,,,,