Could Super Modified been different if?

[BlueOval Ralph]

Tony or Pat never put up any $$$ other wise Fadely would have got It! After the tear down Danish did ask Tony and Sizemore if there was any thing else they wanted to see. If you were were there you should have remeber Tom Rider help Fadely as he went down there with US!!!

Originally Posted by FED 387

I guess ya dont remember T christain ? I was at Edgewater and remember that teardown Pat Sullivan put up the $$$ and we all stood around laughing about it too!!!

[BlueOval Ralph]

This post shows how stupid people can be, pull a head on one side to check for porting and check the stroke on the other side--- Why would you do some thing like this but if you have the head off one side and were to check the stroke on all four cylinders the other bank would be the same
pass side---------------drivers side
4----------------------------8
3----------------------------7
2----------------------------6
1----------------------------5
the above chart shows which cylinders are on same journal fo crank just this about this if the Tech guys were not smart enough to figure this out???






Originally Posted by FED 387
Well I had it kinda right hell it was about 30-35 years ago-we pitted next to Vogelin at the Winters first big race for that car---it was basically a car straight from a used car lot with motor/trans/wheels added-only ran Ihra part of one season-we ran M/P anyway and tore down Fadely every chance we got ,more of a harassment kinda thing than actually looking for anything--hell we new he was legal just snooping--we made him take off door upholstery panels /pull a head on one side to check for porting and check the stroke on the other side---

[FED 387]

I agree meant to say Bore not Stroke my apology--Bore sizes could have been different from one side/cylinder to another---ever think of that??? Ive seen and heard of guys that would always P&G the same cylinder never any of the others but ALWAYS the same one---come to find out it was smaller than the other 7-"some" people can figure out very creative ways to get around the rules--big difference in cubes---can make a huge difference in a pounds per cube class---not saying at all that Arlen was cheating NEVER EVER have said that either-- he is a great guy helped lotsa guys while at Oldsmobile---we all knew he was legal they just were messing with him

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

This post shows how stupid people can be, pull a head on one side to check for porting and check the stroke on the other side--- Why would you do some thing like this but if you have the head off one side and were to check the stroke on all four cylinders the other bank would be the same
pass side---------------drivers side
4----------------------------8
3----------------------------7
2----------------------------6
1----------------------------5
the above chart shows which cylinders are on same journal fo crank just this about this if the Tech guys were not smart enough to figure this out???






Originally Posted by FED 387
Well I had it kinda right hell it was about 30-35 years ago-we pitted next to Vogelin at the Winters first big race for that car---it was basically a car straight from a used car lot with motor/trans/wheels added-only ran Ihra part of one season-we ran M/P anyway and tore down Fadely every chance we got ,more of a harassment kinda thing than actually looking for anything--hell we new he was legal just snooping--we made him take off door upholstery panels /pull a head on one side to check for porting and check the stroke on the other side---

Why do people have to get personal on these forums and call people stupid????

[Dick Butler]

There is definitely room for a class such as this TODAY. COST cutter. Any S or SS or Mod chassis with a given motor. Same Wt Heads up Tech winner and R/U.
A single engine builder , single cubic inch. One head casting, One carb,
I would think this would be a cheaper way for S and SS to survive than the High Buck open rules as they have progressed.

[randy wilson]

I agree with Dick, easy to police, easy to afford. Make them all actually clutch and shift so the driver has to be a little bit talented also. It could work.

[Ed Wright]

Single engine builder? Some of us build our own. Cheaper than buying engines.
That would be a deal breaker for me.

[WestCoastChris]

This is a great discussion. I helped my dad build the first Super Modified Maverick. The first year there was just the one class (A/SM), 3 cars showed up at Pomona, Vogelin & Maherson won class. Jimmy Stevens was the first Super Mod to win Modified Eliminator, he did it at the 1975 High Desert Spring Regionals at LA County Raceway. We tried to build that car cheap and it was competitive on a budget the first year. The Boss motor had a definite advantage, then the Chevrolet contigent convinced NHRA to split, so B/SM became the Boss Class.

I remember Arlen Fadely calling dad at least a dozen times when he was building his car, he would pick dads brain for hours. We had not really heard of Arlen out west. He would call our house like clockwork, I remember answereing the phone "Jim Stevens Racing", because I knew it would be him. Of course he was calling our house and dad did all his work in our attached 2 car garage!

Arlen built a real fast car, as guys like him and Don Bowles started builing these "high dollar" cars, the class became more expensive. Ultimately, Tires & Valve Springs were good for one race. Had to get a Doug Nash over the toploader.

Dad really relished the opportunity to run heads-up in the IHRA. If I remember correctly, the single carb was 1150. Dad took his NHRA legal car with a borrowed carb down to Amarillo and runner-upped to Ricky, Jack Roush et al. He could not fit as big a tire as in Fowlers' car, but was competitive enough for dad to take a month off and head east to go head to head with Jack & Tricky Ricky the summer of 76.

We borrowed an enclosed trailer and hit the road. Our hopes were dashed within an hour, as a semi-truck & strong cross wind jack-knifed us and destroyed the car just outside Rosamond CA.

The car was not back at the track until the Fallnationals, and went a couple rounds. In 1977 he really got that car hauling again. Ran good enough to win the 77 Cajun Nationals, but in the rain delayed 2 AM final, turned on the red light against the late great Lee Shepard, who happened to have a broken rear-end in the Modified Production Camaro he was driving during his Pro Stock hiatus. I remember Lee had a crash and did not want to get back in that Pro stocker.

Dad was on his way to the Division 7 Championship, the car was flying. As I remember most of the divisionals were running eliminations at night, and when they did that car was tough to beat. A trip to INDY that year resulted in a class elimination loss to Arlen who went on to win the Eliminator. We could not make that thing run in the heat & humidity, but Arlen could. We were dry icing the manifold and had a cool-can as an air-cooler, aside from being on the fringe of the rules, it did not really work!

At any rate, by then the class was already too expensive, it is just too hard regulate these classes. The little things, like the valve spring life and track rentals for testing drove the cost up. We were lucky enough to have a silent sponsor for 77-79, and dad held & reset the SM record more than anybody else from 75-81.

Mike Edwards, Ron Anderson & Jim Ehlen all put together some good running Fords. They were good friends and stayed with us when they came out west. Dad won the 80 Winternationals and retired from drag racing after blowing an engine at the 81 Mile High Nationals. Modified was dead and the Super Modifieds were soon to be "re-defined".

[Michael Kilduff]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

There is definitely room for a class such as this TODAY. COST cutter. Any S or SS or Mod chassis with a given motor. Same Wt Heads up Tech winner and R/U.
A single engine builder , single cubic inch. One head casting, One carb,
I would think this would be a cheaper way for S and SS to survive than the High Buck open rules as they have progressed.

Interesting post Dick. I would like for you and others to elaborate further.

How do you think something like pre 1975 vehicles that originally came with V-8 engines (to keep the Vega/Pinto etc out), 3200 lbs, 10.5 inch tire max, 350/385 hp 'Fast Burn' and body & chassis rules same as stock eliminator would work? Maybe even a certain weight bias front to rear to help keep exotic (ie costly) parts and labor out of the picture.

Maybe use a engine claimer to help keep costs down?

I think the ASA oval track series did something like this with good results a few years ago, with a claimer rule.

Might give some here a topic to help pass the winter blues.

[Ed Wright]

I don't see a thing wrong with the C/SM rules used in 1979.