2011 ahfs - Page 2

Stocker 2 · 11-20-2010, 12:26 PM

"You lose the Performance issue of Stock and S/S." And your point is???? Look where the pursuit of performance has gotten us. It is on the verge of destroying Stock.

With an AHFS hit, it would take several times to keep a BB Chevy from running the index. Less than 10% of the cars cannot run at least .3 under. Besides it does not take $5000 heads on a Stocker to run below the index.

One of the problems is $25K engines and $5K heads in Stock. That don't sound like bread and butter to 2/3 of the racers. Some of you guys have priced yourself into too high a level in the name of performance (and ego). You've been paying everyone else FOR horsepower in order to go fast, now its time to start paying WITH horsepower for going too fast.

Adger Smith · 11-20-2010, 12:51 PM

I don't know where you got your numbers. You sure need to take a look at the latest Nitro Joe's stats. I don't think your numbers fit the stats.

Billy, in my case I have found it is also a new group of customers that are showing up with DP and Ford combos. I haven't had a "Real" stocker engine in the shop for several years. A few Crate motors then all of a sudden these DP's show up.

Quote Stocker 2 "Just like NHRA doesn't care enough to throw out the bogus parts, they certainly won't care about throwing out some bogus horsepower ratings."

I thought this is what the new and enhanced AHFS was going to do for everyone.

Like Stocker 2 said..
I think You hit he nail on the head: Quote; You've been paying everyone else FOR horsepower in order to go fast, now its time to start paying WITH horsepower for going too fast.
It looks like NHRA has found it easier, probably cheaper too, to work a few numbers and stats after a race than do tech and correctly factor combos. So we now have a system that punishes anyone wanting to go faster.
Oh well, it is what it is.

Bryan Worner · 11-20-2010, 12:56 PM

Mike. If I'm reading this right, does this mean that if a Cavalier or Cobalt running a particular combination in SS/GT, that is also being run in a GT Camaro or Firebird, triggers and gets hp, that ONLY the Cavalier or Cobalt gets that hp, not the Camaro or Firebird???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the way I read it!

Billy Nees · 11-20-2010, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

How is this going to hurt the bread and butter business of Stock/SS engine and head suppliers? It looks like if a guy wants real performance he has to race in TD or TS where the qualified field still stands for performance.

I will never be too awfully worried about " the bread and butter business of Stock/SS engine and head suppliers" as some(not all) long ago "sold their souls" to customers that were willing to pay for "enhanced" parts.Now those same customers are dealing with Ford and Chrysler for their "enhanced" parts.
Just like NHRA doesn't care enough to throw out the bogus parts, they certainly won't care about throwing out some bogus horsepower ratings.

11-20-2010, 12:39 PM

This becomes a safety issue also. How fast safely can you run a 9 inch tire car and at what weight? You guys with the AA-C cars and even slower know what I am talking about. More than once I have had both hands at 1000 ft and the pucker factor at about 10!
I don't think NHRA will make any changes for fear of loosing any deals they have with Ford and Mopar. It's a done deal.

11-20-2010, 12:26 PM	#1
Stocker 2 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 2011 ahfs "You lose the Performance issue of Stock and S/S." And your point is???? Look where the pursuit of performance has gotten us. It is on the verge of destroying Stock. With an AHFS hit, it would take several times to keep a BB Chevy from running the index. Less than 10% of the cars cannot run at least .3 under. Besides it does not take $5000 heads on a Stocker to run below the index. One of the problems is $25K engines and $5K heads in Stock. That don't sound like bread and butter to 2/3 of the racers. Some of you guys have priced yourself into too high a level in the name of performance (and ego). You've been paying everyone else FOR horsepower in order to go fast, now its time to start paying WITH horsepower for going too fast.

11-20-2010, 12:51 PM	#2
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs I don't know where you got your numbers. You sure need to take a look at the latest Nitro Joe's stats. I don't think your numbers fit the stats. Billy, in my case I have found it is also a new group of customers that are showing up with DP and Ford combos. I haven't had a "Real" stocker engine in the shop for several years. A few Crate motors then all of a sudden these DP's show up. Quote Stocker 2 "Just like NHRA doesn't care enough to throw out the bogus parts, they certainly won't care about throwing out some bogus horsepower ratings." I thought this is what the new and enhanced AHFS was going to do for everyone. Like Stocker 2 said.. I think You hit he nail on the head: Quote; You've been paying everyone else FOR horsepower in order to go fast, now its time to start paying WITH horsepower for going too fast. It looks like NHRA has found it easier, probably cheaper too, to work a few numbers and stats after a race than do tech and correctly factor combos. So we now have a system that punishes anyone wanting to go faster. Oh well, it is what it is. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

11-20-2010, 12:56 PM	#3
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 825 Likes: 136 Liked 535 Times in 86 Posts	Re: 2011 ahfs Mike. If I'm reading this right, does this mean that if a Cavalier or Cobalt running a particular combination in SS/GT, that is also being run in a GT Camaro or Firebird, triggers and gets hp, that ONLY the Cavalier or Cobalt gets that hp, not the Camaro or Firebird??? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the way I read it!

11-20-2010, 12:39 PM	#5
Barry Polley Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 2011 ahfs This becomes a safety issue also. How fast safely can you run a 9 inch tire car and at what weight? You guys with the AA-C cars and even slower know what I am talking about. More than once I have had both hands at 1000 ft and the pucker factor at about 10! I don't think NHRA will make any changes for fear of loosing any deals they have with Ford and Mopar. It's a done deal.