Hosepower on monday? - Page 2

Chad Rhodes · 03-23-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Can someone please get back to the point and explain how there was a "free" time trial in the middle of what is supposed to be a national event? I have seen impromptu "free" runs for the purpose of Class Eliminations at Open events, and I remember a no-time wheelie contest at Lebanon Valley LODRS one year, but how do you get a free run, at a national after qualifying has been completed?

I'm not trying to stir the pot, I actually want to know what guidelines that falls under. That is the real issue, regardless of how fast Jeff went. Under what guidelines is it appropriate to offer a free time run?

And/or, is that different that running a race-within-a-race at any event? I assume the CIC race doesn't count towards AHFS?

Pat?

Evan

Evan, it was obviously Pat's call to make. He made the decision in the best interest of the racers to Start eliminations Sat afternoon. He felt it was fair to all racers for them to get a time shot. End of story. Pat looks out for his racers first, and I think it was the right thing to do. It had no effect on anyone's qualifying position, and everyone had the opportunity to make a hit. A few people went very fast, its now up to NHRA whether to count those runs or not.

Sam Hamod · 03-22-2010, 09:30 AM

Greg,
You are absolutely correct!

Woodro Josey · 03-22-2010, 09:39 AM

You Know, it is a shame that NHRA would not work with us like the original plan was, as Greg and My self and a few others worked very Hard for the Stock/Superstock guys only to be slapped in the face and just plain ignore us, talking about the SRAC

Ed Wright · 03-22-2010, 09:57 AM

Jared forgot to mention the 300 cfm intake ports, as told to me by sharp MOPAR racer considering building one for Super Stock. Makes me wonder what the powers-that-be are thinking?

Nitro Joe Jackson · 03-22-2010, 10:06 AM

True Bob, I'm going to have to sit and think this one out, I'm going to wait and finish up the Belle Rose SS/Stock stats and see how much it really weighed into the deal after the very fast rounds on Sunday. I'll let everyone know on this , but Bob does bring up something about it, I do not count test and tune runs. Here is a question i might ask today to D4 official, If, a run on Saturday mornings TT would of been -1.25 would of it counted for AHFS, that might be the decider.

Guys, i just try to do the best job to get everybody a idea who has the best car, where the best runs where made and I do my best and I know i have flaws at times, but I'm trying.

B Aceves · 03-22-2010, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

True Bob, I'm going to have to sit and think this one out, I'm going to wait and finish up the Belle Rose SS/Stock stats and see how much it really weighed into the deal after the very fast rounds on Sunday. I'll let everyone know on this , but Bob does bring up something about it, I do not count test and tune runs. Here is a question i might ask today to D4 official, If, a run on Saturday mornings TT would of been -1.25 would of it counted for AHFS, that might be the decider.

Guys, i just try to do the best job to get everybody a idea who has the best car, where the best runs where made and I do my best and I know i have flaws at times, but I'm trying.

Joe, I hope you did not take my post in a negative way, Your stats are still our
Bible, and you do a great job.. Thanks

Randall Klein · 03-22-2010, 10:19 AM

First of all, Joe, you do not need to make apologies to anyone. Our sport needs more like you...period

Just a thought, what about a section of "known runs under unknow conditions". or "recorded runs outside AHFS conditions"

With internet and other forms of information, ET's, especially fast runs are known throughout the racing community, and a source of pride to the owners, a caveat heading incl unknown weight and fuel check: reader beware. Might be considered as well.

Whatever you decide....thanks

Nitro Joe Jackson · 03-22-2010, 10:30 AM

Not at all Bob.

Randall that's something to think about. I'm always open for suggestions because if its not for YOU racers and your support there are NO stats.

I e-mailed officials on the deal, here is what i asked........
One question, if there would have been a -1.25 or faster run on the time trail Saturday morning, would it counted for horsepower?

Jim Wahl · 03-22-2010, 10:32 AM

TnT was on Thursday, completely separate deal put on by the track. It should not count. Once qualifying for the event starts ALL runs count towards the AHFS according to the new standard. It makes no difference if it a "freebe" run or not. The cars had already been weighed several times and were considered "legal" at that time. Once NHRA takes over the event all runs count. Joe is correct. Even with the AHFS "hit" it would only make 103 lbs added to the Challenger. I'm willing to bet the car already was that much and more over weight. I think I remember Jeff saying that the car should be good for some 9.90s when sorted out. I would say after the seeing the initial outing with the car he isn't far off! 9.90 in H/SA would be pretty stout! Jim

Jack McCarthy · 03-22-2010, 11:21 AM

remember when i said watch out what ya wish for when the "fast guys" pushed the class winner rule out for qualifying cause you all called em "bump ins" ???????????

well here ya go ... wont be too long when a "real stocker" will no longer be able to qaulify for indy it will be a "paper car" class only... get out your checkbooks boys...

and by the way all your $100,000 old style stockers are now just a bunch of good guys nostalgia (shoe polish) race cars > geez i guess no-one but me saw this coming eh ?

captain jack

03-22-2010, 09:30 AM	#2
Sam Hamod Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 93 Likes: 1 Liked 42 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? Greg, You are absolutely correct! __________________ Sam Hamod 3456 STK

03-22-2010, 09:39 AM	#3
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Hosepower on monday? You Know, it is a shame that NHRA would not work with us like the original plan was, as Greg and My self and a few others worked very Hard for the Stock/Superstock guys only to be slapped in the face and just plain ignore us, talking about the SRAC __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK Last edited by Woodro Josey; 03-22-2010 at 10:55 AM.

03-22-2010, 09:57 AM	#4
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? Jared forgot to mention the 300 cfm intake ports, as told to me by sharp MOPAR racer considering building one for Super Stock. Makes me wonder what the powers-that-be are thinking? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

03-22-2010, 10:06 AM	#5
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? True Bob, I'm going to have to sit and think this one out, I'm going to wait and finish up the Belle Rose SS/Stock stats and see how much it really weighed into the deal after the very fast rounds on Sunday. I'll let everyone know on this , but Bob does bring up something about it, I do not count test and tune runs. Here is a question i might ask today to D4 official, If, a run on Saturday mornings TT would of been -1.25 would of it counted for AHFS, that might be the decider. Guys, i just try to do the best job to get everybody a idea who has the best car, where the best runs where made and I do my best and I know i have flaws at times, but I'm trying. __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

03-22-2010, 10:19 AM	#7
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? First of all, Joe, you do not need to make apologies to anyone. Our sport needs more like you...period Just a thought, what about a section of "known runs under unknow conditions". or "recorded runs outside AHFS conditions" With internet and other forms of information, ET's, especially fast runs are known throughout the racing community, and a source of pride to the owners, a caveat heading incl unknown weight and fuel check: reader beware. Might be considered as well. Whatever you decide....thanks

03-22-2010, 10:30 AM	#8
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? Not at all Bob. Randall that's something to think about. I'm always open for suggestions because if its not for YOU racers and your support there are NO stats. I e-mailed officials on the deal, here is what i asked........ One question, if there would have been a -1.25 or faster run on the time trail Saturday morning, would it counted for horsepower? __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

03-22-2010, 10:32 AM	#9
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,845 Likes: 672 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? TnT was on Thursday, completely separate deal put on by the track. It should not count. Once qualifying for the event starts ALL runs count towards the AHFS according to the new standard. It makes no difference if it a "freebe" run or not. The cars had already been weighed several times and were considered "legal" at that time. Once NHRA takes over the event all runs count. Joe is correct. Even with the AHFS "hit" it would only make 103 lbs added to the Challenger. I'm willing to bet the car already was that much and more over weight. I think I remember Jeff saying that the car should be good for some 9.90s when sorted out. I would say after the seeing the initial outing with the car he isn't far off! 9.90 in H/SA would be pretty stout! Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 03-22-2010 at 09:07 PM.

03-22-2010, 11:21 AM	#10
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? remember when i said watch out what ya wish for when the "fast guys" pushed the class winner rule out for qualifying cause you all called em "bump ins" ??????????? well here ya go ... wont be too long when a "real stocker" will no longer be able to qaulify for indy it will be a "paper car" class only... get out your checkbooks boys... and by the way all your $100,000 old style stockers are now just a bunch of good guys nostalgia (shoe polish) race cars > geez i guess no-one but me saw this coming eh ? captain jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"