HOME FORUM RULES CONTACT
     
   
   

Go Back   CLASS RACER FORUM > Class Racer Forums > Stock and Super Stock


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-11-2024, 03:42 AM   #71
Cglrcng
Member
 
Cglrcng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Kingman, AZ
Posts: 284
Likes: 857
Liked 178 Times in 98 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1700camaro View Post
Blackbird Performance posted a couple of interesting recent posts about not competing with NHRA anymore. We'll see if he sticks to his guns!

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php...ref=embed_POST
Sorry to correct you, he said a ton of extremely well written deep introspection (words and feelings), I highly respect but he never mentioned parting with NHRA racing per se at all. He did say that Blackbird Performance would be attempting to race harder, but that it just would not be in the particular class of Factory-X.

There is a lot more to just car and driver involved at that level of competition and class (and it is really hard to tell the cast of characters without a program also in an unsigned- but very well intentioned, thought out (full of grace both giving and receiving), and heartfelt social media post).

Well done to the writer. I cannot certainly blame them for their decisions whatsoever for whatever reasons, will miss seeing their participation in the class, but you must respect their reasoning and personal reasons.

The old saying comes to mind..."But there, for the Grace of God, go I."
__________________
Gary Lucier - 7832 STK. / 7832 E.T. EF/S Slow Sled. I am, but a simple test of your true patience. So, do all the really "Big Wheelies" you can!
Cglrcng is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 09:40 AM   #72
1700camaro
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 195
Likes: 55
Liked 126 Times in 65 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Here's the more specific & correct wording from one of them post. Yes, you're correct, he didn't state he's parting with NHRA racing.

"As I?ve often suggested to those who saw it this way, we will no longer compete in these heads up Factory Showdown or Factory X classes in the NHRA."
1700camaro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 10:11 AM   #73
Another Friendly Racer
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

For the first time?, all eyes will be on Factory X at the next event, and the Blackbird car decides to walk away. They were running very strong at Indy. They have the driver. The class now has everyone's full attention. Hopefully they reconsider and go out there and kick some butt.
Another Friendly Racer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 10:11 AM   #74
1320racer
VIP Member
 
1320racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,173
Likes: 111
Liked 589 Times in 290 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

of course he will
1320racer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 10:31 AM   #75
bigshow2966
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: chicago
Posts: 625
Likes: 548
Liked 91 Times in 39 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

My understanding is he is done with Factory X, but still has customer cars running in FSS.
bigshow2966 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 01:52 PM   #76
JP1738
Member
 
JP1738's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2024
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 319
Likes: 778
Liked 567 Times in 170 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Quote:
Originally Posted by 63corvette View Post
I have watched this thread and I am amazed at several of the opinions expressed.
In my opinion which is just that an opinion, anyone who cheats knowingly just for advantage trying to win fame and fortune has a basic character flaw.
I also can not believe NHRA did not come down much harder on those caught as discussed in this thread.
That says a great deal about NHRA management?s character also.
I currently believe there is cheating going on in all of the sportsmen categories and NHRA does not seem to care.
I also think safety has been compromised since tech seems to no longer exist.
I just competed at an unnamed Division Race and witnessed several blatant safety violations in the staging lanes as we prepared to run.
One competitor made a pass in a roadster without a head and neck restraint, neck collar, head sock, or helmet drape. Another made a pass with the parachute attachment to the car dangling down behind the body.
Both of those things were easily spotted by many in the lanes.
Both should have been required by the rules in the rule book.
I am just very disappointed in NHRA for many reasons currently.
Just my 2 cents.
Rick Cates
Canyon TX
Was the roadster 150mph+? If not, a hans is not required I don't think
__________________
Dawson Pauley
#2827 N/SA 1980 Malibu SW 2S 305/180
#2827 S/ST 1978 Mazda RX7 w/ 383 sbc/glide

Last edited by JP1738; 09-12-2024 at 08:35 AM.
JP1738 is offline   Reply With Quote
Liked
Old 09-11-2024, 03:50 PM   #77
Dan Bennett
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 407
Likes: 721
Liked 491 Times in 115 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this mess is the outsized influence the manufacturers have.

While racing in Pro Stock and PST, I saw serious pressure campaigns a lot. Some from chassis builders, some from the OEMs. All were for changes that weren't needed and didn't make sense other than to certain parties.

I saw the same thing in Stock and Super Stock. The one that sticks in my mind was an over 30 year old letter being "found" allowing certain models to run hood scoops that never happened on the production line. I was heavy into restoration at the time, a tremendous amount of research was going on, and nothing was found to prove it ever happened. Until those letters appeared.

Harley decided they wanted to go drag racing with an engine that was not - and could not - be competitive. I never saw the exact amount, but for enough money, they bought the class and were allowed to bring something totally different which was not available to other competitors.

So I'm not sure at all, but it's entirely possible in my mind that a "we're not going to spend money if we can't win" campaign was put into place and somebody agreed just to not look at certain parts. I can't blame GM solely for this since I knew of all the manufacturers making that statement at one time or another in various classes. Why did they now look? No idea. Maybe more money was asked for and the parties are now not happy with each other.

I almost feel guilty at slamming the NHRA twice in one day. Almost.
Dan Bennett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 05:14 PM   #78
Oscarf164
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 20
Likes: 1,575
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz View Post
Why was one participant disqualified, with loss of all points and a fine, while the others were allowed to make corrections and continue racing, were fined, but only lost 100 points?

I was wondering the same thing. Could it be because he had a different engine builder than the other cheaters?
Oscarf164 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2024, 05:20 PM   #79
63corvette
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Canyon, Tx
Posts: 543
Likes: 124
Liked 314 Times in 94 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Quote:
Originally Posted by JP1738 View Post
Was the roadster 150mph+? If so, a hans is not required I don't think
Yes it was and by the rule book a head and neck restraint was required. A neck collar would have made it less obvious.
He had none of the requirements.
I was amazed he was allowed to make a pass and the car with the parachute attachment loop was very obvious to anyone from behind.
I could not believe it.
Just my observation.
Rick Cates
Canyon TX
63corvette is offline   Reply With Quote
Liked
Old 09-12-2024, 07:19 PM   #80
Frito
Member
 
Frito's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 451
Likes: 142
Liked 119 Times in 40 Posts
Default Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

Nobody has mentioned Tony Scott whom it is reported "was disqualified from the event for violating the Factory Stock Showdown supercharger overdrive rules".
__________________

Last edited by Frito; 09-12-2024 at 07:26 PM.
Frito is offline   Reply With Quote
Liked
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright © Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.