Hemi Head Ruling

[Randall Klein]

How about this:

Since there used to be 2 classes (SS/A and SS/AA) for the Hemi Cuda/Dart, how about 2 classes again

SS/AHPro, or PRO/AH....anything goes (basic body & frame, must resemble a hemi under the hood w/orginal scoop opening/height/org carbs....let 'em eat

SS/AH for full tech, SS as intended (bring the parked cars back)

Just an opinion

[jaythorne]

WOW....where do i sign up???...oops forgot there already is a ss/aa im just not allowed in it

[Frank Castros]

Based on the conflicting comments provided by David and Charlie regarding their communications with NHRA Tech Support, we have a conundrum.
If either party is sincerely interested in the integrity of the class, perhaps a conference call with Pat Cvengros and or Bruce Bachelder would be appropriate.
All of the above should take responsibility for, and respect the seriousness of this issue, in the interest of Class racing.

[FINESPLINE]

Might be better off going back to SS/A & SS/AA and if you don't run the eliminator you dont run the the shootout. Put the the 67 L88 Corvettes back in the books and let the the big dogs eat. Here is the best part----yanking some of these into the barn , taking pictures or video and making it available. This way we know NHRA is holding up their side of responsibilty. Instead , they choose to take the path of least responsibility and legalize everything. What a joke but so sad that it has come to this. I personally don't care who is at fault, just sit down and straighten it all out . If the NHRA wants to be governing body ,then by all means enforce the damn rules as they originally written. Everybody has a lot to gain or lose in this. Good luck !

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

This thread is great, it's just Barton and crew crying about Charlie W constantly kick there ***** on and off the track. I do find it funny that David called CW a cheater, yet CW or CW customers have never been DQ (with a hemi) and yet Barton cars have been DQ after winning a hemi challenge race.

Charlie Lover,

I assume you are referring to when Pancake was tossed at the Columbus Shootout?

Ask Travis and Pancake (in private) how that turned out. NHRA's equipment was faulty and Travis proved it when Pancake had it re-checked at his next race. First they used the same equipment and it measured the same as the Columbus race, then they used different equipment and he was legal. You tell me who is to blame here. Besides, you really think I would cheat by adding 2 cc's to the piston?

Charlie still hasn't answered my simple 2 questions. Was his flange missing at Indy or not? AAAANNND, was he running the external modifications on the heads? If either of these are yes, then he was cheating, plain and simple. And he openly admitted he has been running the same stuff for years. So you tell me who the cheater is.

And yes, I am whining because it is a bunch of BS when certain NHRA officials turn their head and pretend there is nothing wrong because it says JESEL on the side of the car. It certainly isn't because of CW's great personality.

Wendell, the rule would have thrown out 95% of the class because it says you can't cut into ANY part of the valve cover bolt hole.

Billy, please call the shop.

[Jeff Teuton]

Randall Klein, as always a wise man. That might have some merritt. Something for everyone. Cross ram, bolt holes & all the stuff. And it might indeed bring back some cars. It would, however, take a strong man to administer the classes. One in SS and one in SS Modified. Randy Hopkins probably has the most unmolested car, but I'm sure there are more. Great Idea.

[Gary Jennings]

Originally Posted by David Barton

Charlie Lover,

I assume you are referring to when Pancake was tossed at the Columbus Shootout?

Ask Travis and Pancake (in private) how that turned out. NHRA's equipment was faulty and Travis proved it when Pancake had it re-checked at his next race. First they used the same equipment and it measured the same as the Columbus race, then they used different equipment and he was legal. You tell me who is to blame here. Besides, you really think I would cheat by adding 2 cc's to the piston?

Charlie still hasn't answered my simple 2 questions. Was his flange missing at Indy or not? AAAANNND, was he running the external modifications on the heads? If either of these are yes, then he was cheating, plain and simple. And he openly admitted he has been running the same stuff for years. So you tell me who the cheater is.

And yes, I am whining because it is a bunch of BS when certain NHRA officials turn their head and pretend there is nothing wrong because it says JESEL on the side of the car. It certainly isn't because of CW's great personality.

Wendell, the rule would have thrown out 95% of the class because it says you can't cut into ANY part of the valve cover bolt hole.

Billy, please call the shop.

your first post, second paragragh said it never was a rule anyway, now it is that you couldn't cut into ANY part of the valve cover bolt hole. that is confusing to me?? LIVE ACTION

[Gary Smith]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Randall Klein, as always a wise man. That might have some merritt. Something for everyone. Cross ram, bolt holes & all the stuff. And it might indeed bring back some cars. It would, however, take a strong man to administer the classes. One in SS and one in SS Modified. Randy Hopkins probably has the most unmolested car, but I'm sure there are more. Great Idea.

Jeff AND Randall I share the same thoughts, could never understand all the geometric modifications (valve train) that started in the 90s (maybe earlier) knowing the writing was on the wall. I still remember many years ago, back when the rules were the same for ALL ss cars, overhearing Bob DeYoung MF Cloy Fitzgerald after getting bounced over bolt height on the hood scoop when they were still (honestly) checking bodies. And not trying to poke the beehive Jeff, but I remember one time long ago you and I were talking about how engine swaps between your guys Dart & the A990 car wasn't possible due to matched cyl heads to headers....I kinda hung up the phone with clammy hands wondering if you were subliminally telling me the ports were moved around a bit!!!! I still do respect swamp voodoo always make things appear different than what they really are.

[jaythorne]

i think david means that the rule never said
"intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes
at the valve cover gasket surface"......it just said
"intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes"....seems pretty clear to me and has for years...of course it also says that any intake manifold permitted must remain original configuration..ie crossram must remain crossram ...not sure how the intakes of today aare considered crossrams..................

[Larry Fulton]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Randall Klein, as always a wise man. That might have some merritt. Something for everyone. Cross ram, bolt holes & all the stuff. And it might indeed bring back some cars. It would, however, take a strong man to administer the classes. One in SS and one in SS Modified. Randy Hopkins probably has the most unmolested car, but I'm sure there are more. Great Idea.

Randall & Jeff, I'd ask you both this, If you're willing to do this for the HEMI cars / classes, then why not do it for all cars / and classes? We'll have "closer to o.e.m. legal car classes"... and a "heavily modified legal car classes".

We all realize that the current day, really really fast / quick cars in both Stock & SS have been modified much much more than those that are running closer to "o.e.m." parts and specs as defined by the rules in the rule book.

So how about nhra just start checking the safety items and allow anything / everything to pass... Oh that's right, that's what they've been doing already, and look at where the eliminators are.