Legal seats for stock eliminator

[Dave Muller]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Mike, I don't know about Bobby's car, but a roll bar is not required in N/S(A)

Mark, I'm sure a lot of cars that don 't have to have a roll bar have them anyway. My car my wind up in N/SA but I plan on a cage anyway. My question is if a bar/cage is not required, but is present, is it still required to brace the back of the seat to the roll bar? If so, only aftermarket seats or factory seats too?

I'm more curious regarding my bracket car actually; it doesn't require a cage or bar but it has one anyway.

[Sean Marconette]

Dave,
With my stock seats, they were not braced to the rear bar. But they were almost touching the bar, I think about an inch gap. Between D3, 4, and 5 going through tech, it was never an issue.

Sean

[Dave Muller]

Thanks, Sean, that's good to hear. No tech inspector has ever said anything about my seats in a year and a half either in the bracket car.

Then again, no one had said anything about my battery hold-down for several years before the tech guy at Bakersfield at the Div. 7 Summit Finals said it was no good.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Have to wonder how many racers would invest in the "safer" race seats if they were required to be at least as heavy as the OE seats they removed.

Rory, So it looks like the aforementioned 69 Camaro lost 30 pounds in the middle of the car...for safety.
I have to wonder what the other 30 pound loss was for?

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by Dave Muller

Mark, I'm sure a lot of cars that don 't have to have a roll bar have them anyway. My car my wind up in N/SA but I plan on a cage anyway. My question is if a bar/cage is not required, but is present, is it still required to brace the back of the seat to the roll bar? If so, only aftermarket seats or factory seats too?

I'm more curious regarding my bracket car actually; it doesn't require a cage or bar but it has one anyway.

We don't have one installed yet but we plan on doing it over the winter. I got one from S&W a few months back. I will probably do the seats too, just alot of Kirkeys to choose from. I need something with a higher seat lol.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Dave Muller

Mark, I'm sure a lot of cars that don 't have to have a roll bar have them anyway. My car my wind up in N/SA but I plan on a cage anyway. My question is if a bar/cage is not required, but is present, is it still required to brace the back of the seat to the roll bar? If so, only aftermarket seats or factory seats too?

I'm more curious regarding my bracket car actually; it doesn't require a cage or bar but it has one anyway.

Safety for safety sake isn't addressed in the rules but my logic in caging my bar required Mustang was to follow cage requirements if I was going to install one. Even got a book from SFI to follow.

Dale

[foxy343]

Sorry guys,

I was specifically asking how you run the safety belts to the rear bar on a high back bucket - stock seat. How do the belts stay up, and how do they keep being supported. I saw a few years back someone had cut an access hole in the seat for the belts to pass through. Is this legal, or is there another way to do this before cutting a hole in the stock seat? My solution was to make a n aluminim bracket to support seat and support belts at the same time. Thanks for replys

[Dave Muller]

Originally Posted by foxy343

Sorry guys,

I was specifically asking how you run the safety belts to the rear bar on a high back bucket - stock seat. How do the belts stay up, and how do they keep being supported. I saw a few years back someone had cut an access hole in the seat for the belts to pass through. Is this legal, or is there another way to do this before cutting a hole in the stock seat? My solution was to make a n aluminim bracket to support seat and support belts at the same time. Thanks for replys

That's the issue that prompted me to ditch the stock seats. The belts were held in position at the roll bar by a steel bar that kept the attachment points behind me, but the belts could still slip off my shoulders. I might have cut slots into the seats to feed the belts through but it didn't look like that would work on my seats (2nd gen Camaro). So I went to aftermarket seats with shoulder belt slots, and I'm much happier and more secure now.

And I did build that brace from the headrest to the roll bar, so it's a nice solid mount now.

The only reason I put the seats in mine. ( Kirkey Pro Street ) I saved 60 pounds, right in the middle. To be fair, I feel more secure. They also locate, and retain a driver much better then a stock seat.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Rory, So it looks like the aforementioned 69 Camaro lost 30 pounds in the middle of the car...for safety.
I have to wonder what the other 30 pound loss was for?