Gun carry

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Here is the rest of the story: https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/03/9t...y-of-firearms/

Interesting read. The 9th court cites historical references from up to 700 years ago that limited weapons in public. None of those societies were established under our constitution yet used as arguments for their decision. No where did the article state why he was denied other than sheriff discretion. The decision is not based on OUR constitution's 2nd amendment but instead on their assine agenda.

Iowa was a sheriff discretion state when I got my carry permit many years ago. A few years back the legislature amended it to Shall Issue if the applicant passed the background check.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Interesting read. The 9th court cites historical references from up to 700 years ago that limited weapons in public. None of those societies were established under our constitution yet used as arguments for their decision. No where did the article state why he was denied other than sheriff discretion. The decision is not based on OUR constitution's 2nd amendment but instead on their assine agenda.

Iowa was a sheriff discretion state when I got my carry permit many years ago. A few years back the legislature amended it to Shall Issue if the applicant passed the background check.

Law is based on thousands of years of pragmatic experience telling us what's practical to administer and desirable for fairness are made by humans, and so the reasons behind them vary. Some laws are passed by bad people for bad reasons, as when a town councillor proposes a new zoning by-law that will help his brother’s business but that will generally be bad for other businesses. But ideally, laws should be based on ethics. Good laws are generally intended to do ethically good things, such as protecting individuals, safeguarding rights, or promoting the flourishing of communities. I can’t speak to what is in the mind of the law enforcement in Hawaii, I lived there for three years but not as a resident and never voted in state election but I will say this, the culture is different and I am not saying that in a good or bad way.

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Law is based on thousands of years of pragmatic experience telling us what's practical to administer and desirable for fairness are made by humans, and so the reasons behind them vary. Some laws are passed by bad people for bad reasons, as when a town councillor proposes a new zoning by-law that will help his brother’s business but that will generally be bad for other businesses. But ideally, laws should be based on ethics. Good laws are generally intended to do ethically good things, such as protecting individuals, safeguarding rights, or promoting the flourishing of communities. I can’t speak to what is in the mind of the law enforcement in Hawaii, I lived there for three years but not as a resident and never voted in state election but I will say this, the culture is different and I am not saying that in a good or bad way.

Excellent point Ed. The U.S. constitution was crafted to right the inequities that permeated through out the world for centuries. The 2nd amendment is unique to this country and has served us well. IT IS BASED ON CENTURIES OF PRAGMATIC EXPERIENCE AND OPPRESSION!!!

No one is invading the northern Mexican border to go through Mexico to get to Venezuela or any of the central/south american countries. Lenin was all for guns to over throw the czar then took them from everyone but his security force. Remember Germany pre WWII? Hitler?

Mental illness/religion beliefs have been behind most all the shootings in recent history. Dems/liberals say anyone who speaks out against their ideas are a threat and need to be silenced. Remember those in congress who questioned 2020 election? Get a liberal mental health "professional" to sign them off as a threat based on what they call "hate" speech (opposition to them) and wha la...good bye firearms. They won't touch radical mideast jihadists though.

Bottom line. Who gets to decide...Pelosi, harris, liberal justices?

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Excellent point Ed. The U.S. constitution was crafted to right the inequities that permeated through out the world for centuries. The 2nd amendment is unique to this country and has served us well. IT IS BASED ON CENTURIES OF PRAGMATIC EXPERIENCE AND OPPRESSION!!!

No one is invading the northern Mexican border to go through Mexico to get to Venezuela or any of the central/south american countries. Lenin was all for guns to over throw the czar then took them from everyone but his security force. Remember Germany pre WWII? Hitler?

Mental illness/religion beliefs have been behind most all the shootings in recent history. Dems/liberals say anyone who speaks out against their ideas are a threat and need to be silenced. Remember those in congress who questioned 2020 election? Get a liberal mental health "professional" to sign them off as a threat based on what they call "hate" speech (opposition to them) and wha la...good bye firearms. They won't touch radical mideast jihadists though.

Bottom line. Who gets to decide...Pelosi, harris, liberal justices?

President Donald Trump Says Take Guns 'Early' Without Due Process March 1, 2018. Trump stopped the sale of "bump stocks". So who is/was the threat to the "bottom line". Gun manufacturers need a "boogy-man", Obama seemed to be a good one, sales up 158%, Trump not so good sales down 6.8%. Now we are saying the Democrats are going to take our guns away again...no their not! My inventory remains the same, all present or accounted for.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

President Donald Trump Says Take Guns 'Early' Without Due Process March 1, 2018. Trump stopped the sale of "bump stocks". So who is/was the threat to the "bottom line". Gun manufacturers need a "boogy-man", Obama seemed to be a good one, sales up 158%, Trump not so good sales down 6.8%. Now we are saying the Democrats are going to take our guns away again...no their not! My inventory remains the same, all present or accounted for.

Eddie, are you yelling at us? LOL

Randy

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

Eddie, are you yelling at us? LOL

Randy

That would be a caps. LMAO

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

That would be a caps. LMAO

Your right Eddie, bold is pissed off. Sorry buddy. That TDS is going to wear you out, you need to chill, at least until California comes after your guns. I live in a 2nd addmendment sanctuary county, kind of like San Fran will not enforce turning over criminal illegal murders and rapist to Ice, we will not give our guns up, and the sheriff stands with us. like you Califonians wont give up your illegals. Oh our Sheriff will lock you up for taking a #1 or 2 on the side walk so we have that going for us to

Randy

[L.Fite]

Funny thing...
Those 700 year old laws were written by kings and oppressors that were under constant threat of revolt...
That's how our country (U.S.A.) came to be, one of England's many civil wars...
(They call it sedition today)
Hence the reason for the laws, to control the oppressed...
Our Constitution was written in an attempt to right those oppressions...
Remember 700 years ago most of Europe was kings and slaves, (indentured or not, slaves none the less)
You got what the king would let you have, nothing more...
And sometimes less...