Crate Motor Class

[GUMP]

Why not lighten up a little? The way I see this is that the IHRA let a lot of people down. Both the tracks and the racers deserved better. When the tracks switched to the NHRA they worked together to build this series. I think it will be fun and will have at least one COPO at as many of the races as I can. The crate motor racers will get a chance to run in the series this year. That means they have somewhere to race without making a drastic change to their cars. The NHRA has made no long term commitment at this time. I really don't feel that the NHRA is going to add crate motors. Mainly because car counts are good and it adds complication to tech.

[Chris1529]

How much of a difference from what started out as Crate Motor Stock are the new factory cars and the variety of engines they are allowed to run.

Look at the CJ's with the 352 or the 428, the COPOs with the 350 or 427. Mopars with the variety of engines the factory offers for them.

If you take delivery of a COPO with a 427 then decide you want to order a new 350 supercharged engine for from GM, and you take it to Barton's and have it built and blueprinted and put it in your car. What exactly is not "Crate Motor" about that?

how is that really that much different than ordering a 502 or 385 Fastburn from GM performance, re-building and blueprinting it and slipping it into your 69 Camaro.

No disrespect for anyone who runs these. Cars. It is simply comparing Fiji to Red Delicious to Gala to Honey Crisp Apples. They are all still apples.

[Cdncarnut]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Why not lighten up a little? The way I see this is that the IHRA let a lot of people down. Both the tracks and the racers deserved better. When the tracks switched to the NHRA they worked together to build this series. I think it will be fun and will have at least one COPO at as many of the races as I can. The crate motor racers will get a chance to run in the series this year. That means they have somewhere to race without making a drastic change to their cars. The NHRA has made no long term commitment at this time. I really don't feel that the NHRA is going to add crate motors. Mainly because car counts are good and it adds complication to tech.

The IHRA already has a place for these cars in their new Bracket Racing series.
Why should the NHRA give them another place to race?
By doing so, they have turned the NHRA races into nothing more than IHRA Bracket series.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Cdncarnut

The IHRA already has a place for these cars in their new Bracket Racing series.
Why should the NHRA give them another place to race?
By doing so, they have turned the NHRA races into nothing more than IHRA Bracket series.

I don't know, maybe the intent was to put something nice together for some of my IHRA friends who just got dumped by an organization that they supported for years. I don't get all the complaining. This has zero impact on the National or Divisional level. Except of course the opportunity for local NHRA racers to get easy grade points. That realization should bring out more tears.......

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Cdncarnut

The IHRA already has a place for these cars in their new Bracket Racing series.
Why should the NHRA give them another place to race?
By doing so, they have turned the NHRA races into nothing more than IHRA Bracket series.

Ya know, this D-2 1/8 mile N.O. series has no more to do with NHRA races than the local S/SS Association does. OTHER THAN a place to get a grade point without traveling great distances. Most of the local associations welcome NHRA, IHRA and even NSS cars. What's the problem? There's no Tech to speak of anyway. It's a bracket race, period, with a chance to get a grade point. I'm quite sure that the organizers of the local S/SS events WISH that they could offer their participants a grade point for participating!

Now, ya want to talk about the ridiculous expense of racing? Ya want to talk about "entry level"? Ya want to talk about what to do with the "crate motor" cars? Get someone to come up with a viable "heads-up" eliminator using minimum weights and "crate motors" where the final 4 cars can be "claimed" at the end of the day. But that will never happen.

Or just race good junk like I do and stop complaining.

[racer1442]

Originally Posted by Cdncarnut

The IHRA already has a place for these cars in their new Bracket Racing series.
Why should the NHRA give them another place to race?
By doing so, they have turned the NHRA races into nothing more than IHRA Bracket series.

Go complain to the IHRA or whatever, but stop trying to justify why the anyone should change the rules to accommodate a bunch of racers who could not make a go of it in their own association.

Those are some pretty ignorant remarks considering how many IHRA cars run in the same association as you. Those cars help make the race day payouts, year end payouts as well as the level of competition of the series for the better. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the matter, you shouldn't be publicly pissing on your fellow racers that you line up with every race. Maybe you should tell some of them in person 3 months from now in the lanes about your thoughts about their cars and where they should be racing.

[Cdncarnut]

Originally Posted by racer1442

Those are some pretty ignorant remarks considering how many IHRA cars run in the same association as you. Those cars help make the race day payouts, year end payouts as well as the level of competition of the series for the better. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the matter, you shouldn't be publicly pissing on your fellow racers that you line up with every race. Maybe you should tell some of them in person 3 months from now in the lanes about your thoughts about their cars and where they should be racing.

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[racer1442]

Originally Posted by Cdncarnut

The CanAm Stock/SuperStock series is not he NHRA nor is it the IHRA, in case you have not noticed.
Their rules are flexible and there is no tech as I have never seen any.
I chose to buy/build an NHRA legal car, which is legal to race in the Can/Am series, as well as the NHRA and IHRA..
From your comments, you may have an IHRA legal car, which is legal to race in Can/Am and the IHRA, but NOT the NHRA.

I have no issue what Fred and the board of directors do with their series and will support them as time and money permit.

I also do not care what the IHRA has done or does going forward.

I do however have an issue with what the NHRA does, as I am a paying member and my opinion is valid.
If you do have an NHRA legal car and a paying member then you do not have an issue.

Thanks for explaining all that and thanks for sending me a PM as well with the same message so I could read all of it again.

Again because you have a hard time understanding, maybe respect your fellow racers instead of flicking your nose at them and saying how useless their car is now just because you aren't effected. Others have stated why they built their cars the way they did including myself. I'm not asking for NHRA to change, I'm asking you to think about your fellow racers that it does. No matter what the cost was, people have still invested time and money into their setups and don't need d ickish remarks how they are just good for bracket racing now. I dont think you would talk like that to a guy that ran Modified when it was dropped and you tell him to just go bracket racing.

[Ed Wright]

The Modified cars were simply moved to Comp.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

The Modified cars were simply moved to Comp.

And Super Stock
And you missed the point Racer was trying to make!