Crate Motor Class

[Birch motor cars]

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

They'll race division 2 in the 1/8 mile races. I'm sure 99.9 % can pass tech. You won't find any $5000. Heads and intakes on a crate motor car. Their budget racers..

Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads.

[KEN BUGAJ]

I[QUOTE=Birch motor cars;555895]Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads. Xx What I was saying is that most crate motor guys won't spend the 5K to Port & Polish head's & intake then cover it up. They'll do the basic legal head work.

[Birch motor cars]

[QUOTE=KEN BUGAJ;555910]I

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads. Xx What I was saying is that most crate motor guys won't spend the 5K to Port & Polish head's & intake then cover it up. They'll do the basic legal head work.

= Ken look what your saying buddy ??? Your cheating and telling the whole world.

The crate cars are all legal.....for bracket racing and time shots. Nice that division 2 are letting in pro ET cars run stock. That’s a good trend to start.

[PozQB14]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

The crate cars are all legal.....for bracket racing and time shots. Nice that division 2 are letting in pro ET cars run stock. That’s a good trend to start.

Hands down the most ignorant statement in this mile long thread so far. You obviously have no relevant input. Rich created a series that were all excited about in Division 2. Remember, this series is for ALL NHRA cars....its not a crate motor series, they are just included since there's quote a few in the region.

My input is my thoughts and opinion. I'm a division 1 stock racer. So does that mean that If I want I can put a Chevy bracket engine in my Firebird and call it a crate engine and run Div 2 I can? Do they have engine parameters and specs? Will they be subject to heads up races?
I have no problem with them being included in S/SS races. But official NHRA races, thats pushing it some.
What is relevant input? If I'm for this than that's ok? Next lets let the purestock cars in next? I guess if they need cars have at it.

Right Super Street cars that go 150 miles an hr? That's entry level. Sounds like slower version of Super Gas.

Originally Posted by PozQB14

Hands down the most ignorant statement in this mile long thread so far. You obviously have no relevant input. Rich created a series that were all excited about in Division 2. Remember, this series is for ALL NHRA cars....its not a crate motor series, they are just included since there's quote a few in the region.

[PozQB14]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

My input is my thoughts and opinion. I'm a division 1 stock racer. So does that mean that If I want I can put a Chevy bracket engine in my Firebird and call it a crate engine and run Div 2 I can? Do they have engine parameters and specs? Will they be subject to heads up races?
I have no problem with them being included in S/SS races. But official NHRA races, thats pushing it some.
What is relevant input? If I'm for this than that's ok? Next lets let the purestock cars in next? I guess if they need cars have at it.

Right Super Street cars that go 150 miles an hr? That's entry level. Sounds like slower version of Super Gas.

You have proven my point. IHRA had very specific requirements for what you can run on a crate motor engine. We're all waiting to see the weight breaks and new indexes but each combo has it's own cam, piston ect...specs.
It's ok to have an opinion, but do some research before you diminish a type of engine that someone chooses to run. Being from D1 which is a great division with tons of fast impressive cars, you don't need to worry about what's going on in D2 if it doesn't suit your style. It takes a special kind of person to come on here and try to trash someone's choice of engine/car combination.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

My input is my thoughts and opinion. I'm a division 1 stock racer. So does that mean that If I want I can put a Chevy bracket engine in my Firebird and call it a crate engine and run Div 2 I can? Do they have engine parameters and specs? Will they be subject to heads up races?
I have no problem with them being included in S/SS races. But official NHRA races, thats pushing it some.
What is relevant input? If I'm for this than that's ok? Next lets let the purestock cars in next? I guess if they need cars have at it.

Right Super Street cars that go 150 miles an hr? That's entry level. Sounds like slower version of Super Gas.

Are you really THAT STUPID or just like to stir up siht !

[KEN BUGAJ]

[QUOTE=Birch motor cars;556105]

Originally Posted by KEN BUGAJ

I = Ken look what your saying buddy ??? Your cheating and telling the whole world.

No, I'm saying that there are a number of people running around with $5000.00 head's & intake. Create Motor's don't need that, they run pretty good with just a valve job, and spring's. ! What helps them are a good carb and intake. The short block is the same as any 350/255.

[Dan Fahey]

Holy Pure Stock ....
The Chattering Class Racers are now busting on Crate Motor cars.
You can tell who they are sporting bruised egos from walking into walls.
Interesting that CM racers are getting the same crap I got.
Now they are getting the rash from same stuck up Racers..

The question was asked why would a Racer not build a car for both NHRA and IHRA.
Because we could and because it was cost effective!

Very convenient racers forgot that my car plays by earlier Stocker Rules.
Today they are going second faster on average.
Costs to be competitive gone up and reliability non existent!
So sensitive they avoid bracket racing them.

Started with rods and pistons, Cranks and blueprinted Cams
Then better rods and pistons and crank.
Then unlimited duration cams requiring expensive hardened Lifters and high tension Springs
Now the blocks are failing and buying reinforced aftermarket pieces.
Of course the Cam has to be specially treated also.
Then $15000 in labor to tweek and hide and assemble.
Then of course $12/gallon race fuel. Easy to burn $100 a race.
Then reinforced beefed up rearends, suspensions and wheelie bars.

Old Stock now Pure Stock Rules my car is reliable and fun!
CM is a natural fit and looks like NHRA is thinking about adding them.
All the specs are well documented for tech.
So that argument goes out the window.

For me CM would be a good consideration to move up to.
Our B-body community are bolting in LS and the new LT1 engines.
Adding a LS would allow running a higher class than K.

IHRA dropping Class Racing was shock.
Hope NHRAs D2 1/8 mile Racing is a huge profitable success.

D