Crate Motor Class

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro

Thanks for all your hard work! Maybe some day we wont be the black sheep of the herd. I cant believe how stubborn some people are when it comes to this stuff. Its the same as a traditional stocker with more HP, weight and if accepted 3 tenths off what the IHRA index was....so my stocker that will run .9 under is now .6 under....wow thats a huge threat on the qualifying sheet. Way less of a threat that any Copo or Drag Pack.

Thank you CrateCamaro...
You don't get things done by being a Wall Flower.
Keep pushing until you get results!

My Dad taught us about persistence, work, especially to think.
Passion to succeed came from inside if you were going to survive ...!
He had his horrible side too like too much alcohol, mean and abusive.
But had his kind days and kept an eye out for us.
Like a home to come too when times were bad..and they did get bad.
For some reason would never come to any of my races. That hurt !

Last Dec 10th he passed away..
It was a tough end of year celebration!
Somehow it makes you stronger!

FWIW we are having a Good Conversation !
To make it clear I have never bashed anyone or any Racing Body or Association.
Have been interceptive, professional and polite in my responses.
Unlike some of the rude comments I have received.

I deeply respect the all the Automotive Associations.
They work their butts off to give us a platform to race.
Especially Refereeing rules that racers seem to find a nuance to.

The evolution and cost of Stock Eliminator has gone nuts!
Nobody bashed Bill Nees when he built his Dime Racers.
Yet racers are bashing others because they find more sensible ways to race.

PS, CM, GT were good solutions to extend the life of Stock.
NHRA had to create FI and FS Classes to meet a need.
NHRA does not have to invent anything to on-board these classes.

Regardless, adding any of the Classes did not kill IHRA or NHRA.
Some bone headed decisions did not help.

The NUMBER ONE Reason why Racers did not run IHRA ???
IHRA ran at 1/8th mile tracks.
It was the number one complaint on Class Racer why IHRA events were not attended.
This exacerbated the decisions that IHRA decided to take to survive.

At the Mike Carr S/SS TriState Meet at Mason Dixon.
The Southern Bracket Association Bracket Racers were bitterly complaining about having to run 1/8th mile.
Seems to be a huge pattern of expectations.
Though nothing wrong running 1/8th mile.

The BOTTOM LINE
IHRA failed because racers did not defend their sport !


Dan

[James Perrone]

You 2 ain’t getting ****. Done.
I think you 2 have it all wrong. Your begging and pleading for a miracle yet you keep insulting the people that are Class Racers
Don’t need no pure stock or crates motor
Nhra has SS modified for you crate boy. Add weight to your SS car cause that’s what it is in Nhra
Delusional Dan work on your car. Buy a car.
By the way my mustard is Frenches yellow.Nothin fancy
Crate Boy. Maybe ask Santa for some help

[Dan Fahey]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Ed Wright]

The number one reason I heard from guys not running IHRA was much reduced already lower purses for low car counts, which they always had. They had so few contingencies, most were for things most don't use. Winning, or just going rounds, did not pay what everyone was used to. Had to play musical decals. It was still 1/4 mile IHRA races around here when I quit going. I tried to run both a few years ago. Officials were very friendly, tech was pretty lax. Small rubber checks did it for me.

And, other than some bracket racers, few guys like 1/8th mile racing.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

The number one reason I heard from guys not running IHRA was much reduced already lower purses for low car counts, which they always had. They had so few contingencies, most were for things most don't use. Winning, or just going rounds, did not pay what everyone was used to. Had to play musical decals. It was still 1/4 mile IHRA races around here when I quit going. I tried to run both a few years ago. Officials were very friendly, tech was pretty lax. Small rubber checks did it for me.

And, other than some bracket racers, few guys like 1/8th mile racing.

ED on these very posts.
Racers posted often and outright they would not race 1/8th mile.
AND do understand. Even I prefer 1/4 mile.
Speaking for myself never experienced a rubber check from any racing association.

D

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Racers posted often and outright they would not race 1/8th mile.

But, those guys weren't racing IHRA anyway. Back when I was running IHRA the car counts were always pretty good in Division 9. In my opinion the IHRA made too many changes that made the bracket racers happy and ran off the class racers.

[Adger Smith]

Why was there ever a Crate motor class?
Car Mfg's were selling crate motors and put money into the IHRA to help their marketing.
Are MFG's putting money in NHRA to market Crate Motors?
Want to have a class... come up with MFG cash.
Now in unison can we all say COPO, DRAG PACK and what ever Ford calls it today...

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

ED on these very posts.
Racers posted often and outright they would not race 1/8th mile.
AND do understand. Even I prefer 1/4 mile.
Speaking for myself never experienced a rubber check from any racing association.

D

Dan, I explained once, rubber checks came from the small rural tracks that had to pay IHRA up front to hold one of their races, then did not draw enough cars to cover expenses.
After hearing from the track owners (when calling about my checks) about their money losses, I just tore up the checks. Weren't big enough checks to make or break me. They cut prize money due to very low car counts. Thankfully I have a car that could run with either association. I only wasted part of one summer trying to support them. It was obvious to me it was a dying deal.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Dan, I explained once, rubber checks came from the small rural tracks that had to pay IHRA up front to hold one of their races, then did not draw enough cars to cover expenses.
After hearing from the track owners (when calling about my checks) about their money losses, I just tore up the checks. Weren't big enough checks to make or break me. They cut prize money due to very low car counts. Thankfully I have a car that could run with either association. I only wasted part of one summer trying to support them. It was obvious to me it was a dying deal.

Actually down here in the southeast the fields were steadily growing each year. Last year the car counts were the best in many years. But still not what the NHRA races were getting.
I always tried to shy people away from building an IHRA only class car. It just didn't make sense to build a car that could not run both sanctions or have an engine for both sanctions. IHRA could not have survived as long as it did with just the IHRA only classes. Most of the racers in the SE were NHRA and IHRA competitors. I ran as many events as I could in my division and I for one will miss the IHRA races. They were very user friendly and fun. I liked the 1/8th mile just as much as the 1/4.

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

The evolution and cost of Stock Eliminator has gone nuts!
Nobody bashed Bill Nees when he built his Dime Racers.
Yet racers are bashing others because they find more sensible ways to race.

Billy found cars that are in the system to my knowledge he never once asked NHRA to add cars or classes so he could build what he wanted.

Apples and oranges to what you want done.