Crate Motor Class

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

Come on Michael, I love ya , don't act like a liberal and make partial quotes. The point is the cost of crate motors will double, triple, maybe quadruple if approved for NHRA class racing. I don't care about the past costs. We know what will happen. And that's a fact. Plus add to that your chances of a heads up, and if you're a slug, there are no wins. Even if you're as good a driver as you !

Jim we are have a fruitful conversation without provocative comments..!

This battle about Crate Motors is not much different than Pure Stock community Or earlier about the GT classes.
Stock had to morph for many reasons.
Such as the plethora of high performance Vehicles from other non US companies and not being included into Stock.
The new generation of kids like the Rice Burners because that is what they can afford.
The pitiful US choices against the foreign markets.
The 91-96 B-body community is growing because useful platforms are available.
When GM Ford and Chrysler reformed after the recession.
They began producing some cool cars...
Including race ready Factory race cars for $100000 !

Crate Motors is natural extension of Stock.
Spirit of Stock taking approved combinations and stuffing into useful platforms.
Combinations that run in the same ET range as current Stock before the COPO and Factory built racers.
Older and nostalgic combinations are being considered with modern engines.
Where their older power plants with vintage parts are becoming expensive.
Upgrading from a 273 4v to and 360 4v is a bolt in procedure.
Think Pure Stock would benefit allowing us to upgrade to a more powerful version.

Already Stock has morphed from Stock with limited Cam specs to junior Super Stock.
In 70s and 80s the Stockers were never quick enough to qualify in a SS field, but they are now!

At any rate Crate Motors cars are a good addition to Stock.

D

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Jim we are have a fruitful conversation without provocative comments..!

This battle about Crate Motors is not much different than Pure Stock community Or earlier about the GT classes.
Stock had to morph for many reasons.
Such as the plethora of high performance Vehicles from other non US companies and not being included into Stock.
The new generation of kids like the Rice Burners because that is what they can afford.
The pitiful US choices against the foreign markets.
The 91-96 B-body community is growing because useful platforms are available.
When GM Ford and Chrysler reformed after the recession.
They began producing some cool cars...
Including race ready Factory race cars for $100000 !

Crate Motors is natural extension of Stock.
Spirit of Stock taking approved combinations and stuffing into useful platforms.
Combinations that run in the same ET range as current Stock before the COPO and Factory built racers.
Older and nostalgic combinations are being considered with modern engines.
Where their older power plants with vintage parts are becoming expensive.
Upgrading from a 273 4v to and 360 4v is a bolt in procedure.
Think Pure Stock would benefit allowing us to upgrade to a more powerful version.

Already Stock has morphed from Stock with limited Cam specs to junior Super Stock.
In 70s and 80s the Stockers were never quick enough to qualify in a SS field, but they are now!

At any rate Crate Motors cars are a good addition to Stock.

D

You sound like someone who built a racecar and wants to rewrite the rules and the NHRA, which you don't race, to suit your own agenda....

If you think that the NHRA needs saving, build a legal NHRA car and enter some events.....

There are also people who buy a house next to an airport because it is cheaper...
After they buy they put all of their efforts into closing the airport that was there first...

Just sayin'

[rk3800]

Well said Bob.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

You sound like someone who built a racecar and wants to rewrite the rules and the NHRA, which you don't race, to suit your own agenda....

If you think that the NHRA needs saving, build a legal NHRA car and enter some events.....

There are also people who buy a house next to an airport because it is cheaper...
After they buy they put all of their efforts into closing the airport that was there first...

Just sayin'

Well said, Bob.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

You sound like someone who built a racecar and wants to rewrite the rules and the NHRA, which you don't race, to suit your own agenda....

If you think that the NHRA needs saving, build a legal NHRA car and enter some events.....

There are also people who buy a house next to an airport because it is cheaper...
After they buy they put all of their efforts into closing the airport that was there first...

Just sayin'

Good point! Even better analogy is buying near a racetrack! NHRA doesn't need these cars, just look at the post up here from people with 4 grade points trying to get in a National event. I had 4 and couldn't get in Maple Grove. After it dropped to 65 I watched it like a hawk all day Monday lol!

[Nmbr1GMfan]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Good point! Even better analogy is buying near a racetrack! NHRA doesn't need these cars, just look at the post up here from people with 4 grade points trying to get in a National event. I had 4 and couldn't get in Maple Grove. After it dropped to 65 I watched it like a hawk all day Monday lol!

Good point, there are traditional stockers not getting in. I think i counted 14 or 15 FS cars for Maple Grove.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

You sound like someone who built a racecar and wants to rewrite the rules and the NHRA, which you don't race, to suit your own agenda....

If you think that the NHRA needs saving, build a legal NHRA car and enter some events.....

There are also people who buy a house next to an airport because it is cheaper...
After they buy they put all of their efforts into closing the airport that was there first...

Just sayin'

YEAH just like other people did in the past !
SO what?
What is it you want to forget ... FS, GT, ProMod, Bracket Racing, Pure Stock to Stock, Pro Stock...

Everything morphs because it can !!

D

[Ed Wright]

Pure Stock did not "morph into Stock", Stock was here first. NHRA tried Pure Stock for a short while several years ago, then dropped it.

As Michael stated, IHRA is dying, and NHRA is not going to add crate motors.
Nor add Pure Stock again.
Might want to build an NHRA car, or go bracket racing.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Pure Stock did not "morph into Stock", Stock was here first. NHRA tried Pure Stock for a short while several years ago, then dropped it.

As Michael stated, IHRA is dying, and NHRA is not going to add crate motors.
Nor add Pure Stock again.
Might want to build an NHRA car, or go bracket racing.

Thanks for validating what I said Ed !
It was Pure Stock ever before it was Stock.
After 1973 the Blueprinted cams were reintroduced and has not stopped morphing.....
Basically Stock today is SS Lite !!
More complex and new rules implemented to keep the cars safe.

IHRA is not dying and will survive because enough us want it to.
I am not a complaining sideliner.
Doing my bit being a Contingency Sponsor.

Hope that someone on the Crate Motor side may do the same.
Create a buzz and start a movement !

Pure Stock LIVES !!
and
So will Crate Motor !!

D

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Thanks for validating what I said Ed !
It was Pure Stock ever before it was Stock.
After 1973 the Blueprinted cams were reintroduced and has not stopped morphing.....
Basically Stock today is SS Lite !!
More complex and new rules implemented to keep the cars safe.

IHRA is not dying and will survive because enough us want it to.
I am not a complaining sideliner.
Doing my bit being a Contingency Sponsor.

Hope that someone on the Crate Motor side may do the same.
Create a buzz and start a movement !

Pure Stock LIVES !!
and
So will Crate Motor !!

D

Dan I admire your enthusiasm but when you have a "National" event and don't even get 100 cars to show up I would say its definitely on life support. I don't know how you go to a track owner and try to sell them a National event next year after the numbers I've seen the last several races.
I do hope they make it and it turns around.