HP Reduction Request

[Coleydog]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Won't the AHFS take care of that?


Look, if anyone wants to imagine all the negatives that can happen because of this hp reduction, go for it. However, if ten new participants get to experience the fun, the comradery, the "Stocker community" and the thrills of the competitive racing we all have, we will all be better off and stronger. The purpose here is not to create a bunch of dime-rocket index killers (NHRA has shown to be plenty capable of doing that on their own). The intent is to try to attract more racers and expand on one of the core values of the Stock Eliminator category, showcasing the variety of American automobile history.

All well and good what you said, but I try to look at both ends, good and bad, all of that comes into the equation before any decision is made.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Coleydog

All well and good what you said, but I try to look at both ends, good and bad, all of that comes into the equation before any decision is made.

Believe me, I do too. But considering that the current class guide likely has several hundred index killers in it, even if the hp reduction move will add to that list the cars will have to be built before anyone gets concerned. I don't see many of the very capable cars that are currently in the class guide being built. If creating the opportunity for a lot of older cars to be competitive causes new cars to be built, that's way more important that worrying about them being a 'threat'. If they get built by new folks, we have expanded Stock Eliminator and that is the goal. If they get built by current racers, we have generated some new excitement and that is the goal. If they spur some 'retired' racers to come back out, then we have re-engaged some bystanders and that is the goal. The goal is to grow Stock Eliminator and make it fun for as many as possible.

[Coleydog]

Let's hope it works then

[amxron]

Most 6 cyl cars are rated higher than some V-8's now.
Great idea to get out diverse and older makes for sure.
Some folks leave the stands when stock is called because they
don't want to see a line of Camaros.

Goodluck w/nhra

Ron.

[goinbroke2]

You're so right Ron, check out any v6 or inline 6 ford in the truck section. The inline 300 is at 190hp, I tried to get it lowered last year and was denied. Look at the 302 in another truck at 215, which has approved rods/pistons/etc there is no comparison.

20% would take it to 152, it was originally at 155 with a carb and no doubt will make more than that with FI, but it would be incentive to build it. I would suspect after being hit (maxed out) it would end up around 175-180. Cubic $$$ will only take it so far, I don't see it ever hitting 190 or more.

The 2bbl 302 got some new cars built, but have they "took over the world" like some on here predicted? No, it was a good "proof in concept" of the idea and it worked. More cars were built and the ones that were pushed hard were corrected...kinda exactly like a win-win right??

I really like the idea.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by amxron

Most 6 cyl cars are rated higher than some V-8's now.
Great idea to get out diverse and older makes for sure.
Some folks leave the stands when stock is called because they
don't want to see a line of Camaros.

Goodluck w/nhra

Ron.

Before I started racing again, I started going to some national events to watch my old friend Mike Edwards run Pro Stock. I would go stay in the stands to watch some friends run Stock & Super Stock. When the fuel cars finished, the stands would empty. I asked several people leaving "Why don't you watch these?" Every time they would answer "Too slow", not one time did anybody mention a particular kind of car. Always just "Too slow". Guessing not enough noise or 300 MPH.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Before I started racing again, I started going to some national events to watch my old friend Mike Edwards run Pro Stock. I would go stay in the stands to watch some friends run Stock & Super Stock. When the fuel cars finished, the stands would empty. I asked several people leaving "Why don't you watch these?" Every time they would answer "Too slow", not one time did anybody mention a particular kind of car. Always just "Too slow". Guessing not enough noise or 300 MPH.

Ed, I was at Vegas last fall, and watched the folks file out of the stands when the Pro Stockers came out. Whole different generation of fans, I guess.
It's almost like there's two NHRAs now, and they don't seem to care much about ours.
Don't mean to go o/t here.

[Carguy49]

You are right Mark. There is whole different fan base out there. Most of the people that go to the National events are fans of the BIG CIRCUS. Look at the crowd at a Divisional event - almost no one in the stands. Last year at the Divisional at Pacific Raceways I think I counted about 100 people. I can almost guarantee that many of those, if not all, were friends of the racers.

The lower class cars don't have fan base and so us diehards can sit anywhere we want to photograph the cars or just watch from wherever we want. I am usually by the starting line, but that's just me.

If lowering the H.P. on several cars gets more built, COOL. Unfortunately most people don't understand the class cars, like Stock. Top Sportsman, Top Dragster and the Super classes is where most of the interest is now. I still love STOCK and SUPER STOCK so watching these "slow" cars is a definite thrill for me.

So good luck in any attempt to get more cars out there. It will be a win for me and the other fans of these cars.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Before I started racing again, I started going to some national events to watch my old friend Mike Edwards run Pro Stock. I would go stay in the stands to watch some friends run Stock & Super Stock. When the fuel cars finished, the stands would empty. I asked several people leaving "Why don't you watch these?" Every time they would answer "Too slow", not one time did anybody mention a particular kind of car. Always just "Too slow". Guessing not enough noise or 300 MPH.

In my opinion any aspect of class of cars racing can and should be promoted to create excitement . Everyone knows NHRA has done nothing to promote any interest in Stock and Super Stock ever . Alan Reiheart has been doing a great job talking about different makes of cars when he announces as well as other announcers . He does a great job announcing but NHRA corp has done nothing to make our class of cars exciting I suspect there are many ways that Stock and Super Stock can be promoted more in NHRA fans eyes but this has not happened yet . Also as the number of Pros goes down NHRA will need other exciting ways to push in the racing arena Stock and Super Stock could and should be one of the most exciting forms of racing to watch all it needs it Promotion

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

In my opinion any aspect of class of cars racing can and should be promoted to create excitement . Everyone knows NHRA has done nothing to promote any interest in Stock and Super Stock ever . Alan Reiheart has been doing a great job talking about different makes of cars when he announces as well as other announcers . He does a great job announcing but NHRA corp has done nothing to make our class of cars exciting I suspect there are many ways that Stock and Super Stock can be promoted more in NHRA fans eyes but this has not happened yet . Also as the number of Pros goes down NHRA will need other exciting ways to push in the racing arena Stock and Super Stock could and should be one of the most exciting forms of racing to watch all it needs it Promotion

Don, Start a new thread, or bring up one of your old ones, before this one gets too far off course again. Thanks.
I've got a few thoughts for later on.