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[Alan Nyhus]

Paul, were they the round wire retainer clips or the flat style? -Al

[Paul Merolla]

Al, they were the round wire bent into a "U" shape ones. I'm puzzled how they could've made their way into the bearings, though...

[Sean Marconette]

Paul,
Do you have magnets installed by the oil drain back holes in the block? Sorry to hear about the issue.

Sean

[Paul Merolla]

Originally Posted by Sean Marconette

Paul,
Do you have magnets installed by the oil drain back holes in the block? Sorry to hear about the issue.

Sean

I sure wish I did! (and will from now on)

[ss3011]

Do you have the filter adapter modified so all the oil goes through the filter ? How do the gears look on the oil pump ?

[GTX JOHN]

The wire retainers drove us crazy..............We replace
them with "Tru Arc" style snap rings before installation.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

The wire retainers drove us crazy..............We replace
them with "Tru Arc" style snap rings before installation.

I've got a wire retainer story. And since it's winter, some of you guys don't have anything better to do than read an old racing tale, anyhow. It was the 1st race of the season in '75 at this little airstrip track, near Forest Hill, LA. We didn't even have the car painted or lettered yet. It was a '68 Bird 330hp 400 E/SA. When TJ ran the 1st round, we could hear the engine missing and popping. When she got back to the pits, we just loaded it on the trailer and sat down to watch the rest of the race.

Then we heard over the PA system that because they had put a car in the wrong class, they had decided to rerun the 1st round. So, we popped the hood and pulled the valve covers. We discovered one loose rocker, and the pushrod looked like it was too short.

So, we pulled the intake and valley cover and discovered the problem. The guts of a lifter were lying there in the valley. Don't know why they hadn't gone below. Anyhow, we put the lifter back together, adjusted the rocker and put everything else back on, just as the call came for us to come to the staging lanes for the rerun.

So, TJ fired it up, backed it off the trailer and won the race that day. After that deal, I never trusted the flimsy paper clip retainers.

A guy gave me my 1st 455 because the guts came out of a lifter in his '70 GTO. He thought the engine was knockin and about to croak. So he bought a low mileage junkyard 400, which I installed for him. After the install, he said I could have the 455 if I wanted it. When I took the valley cover off, I discovered that the guts had come out of one lifter. But in this engine, they went on down to the pan.

We raced this engine for 3 seasons, in 3 different bracket cars. Went to 49 races in '78. Probably made between 800 and 1000 passes with it. It was still running mid 12's like a sewing machine when I gave it and the car it was in, to a guy that was racing with us.

Anyhow, after those 2 experiences with the wire retainers, I bought nothing but Rhoads lifters from then on. They have the snap ring retainers. And they were great for running bracket with a stock converter--smooth idle, and plenty of low end torque. We made thousands of passes with 'em and never had a single failure.

I assume that they would have little to no benefit in a Stocker, because the converter would keep the RPM above 3000. But just for fun, I'll ask anyhow, have any of you guys ever used Rhoads lifters in a Stocker ?

I assume that to compete nowadays you need high spring pressures and limited travel tool steel lifters or some trick lifters of some kind.

[Paul Merolla]

Originally Posted by ss3011

Do you have the filter adapter modified so all the oil goes through the filter ? How do the gears look on the oil pump ?

Yes, the bypass is plugged on the adaptor...haven't taken the pump apart yet. I need to pull the rear main cap and make sure the plug is in there that sometimes gets left out.

[Mike Taylor 3601]

Paul,
You had small foreign object go through your bearing, but your clips from lifters couldn't have made through there,if got one of those in oil pump it would locked up oil pump.
You just had something small ,piece metal,alum.,dirt get in to bearing,good chance came out of oil galley in crank itself. If haven't ran brushes through oil galleys before,do that you be surprised what will come out of what looks like a clean oil galley in a crank or block.
Mike Taylor 3601