OLD Modified Corvettes

[randy wilson]

OK, Todd, I like 5 speeds because the more gears you hit, the better fans love it. But, only on the condition you Truly have to clutch, and shift ALL gears in a truly conventional way. I have ideas on how to make that happen, or make clutchless guys add 150 lbs. That will cure them. Now Dick. Here's what I've always had in the back of my mind as far as simple, affordable, interesting, and challenging. Also, very exciting, and. Here goes. Min. wt, 3,000 lbs. min. cube, 280, max cube 360. 9, 10, 11, lbs. per c.i.d. .01 per half lb. in the 1\8. .15 per half lb. in the 1\4. Brodix spec heads, Mopar, Ford, and Chevy. ONLY mods allowed are angle, or straight milling, valve job, and polishing the combustion chamber. Any valve, or limit them to steel. Just trying to save tear down problems, so bear with me. ANY cast intake, no external mods, readily available, any max. 2 " spacer, 1 750, 11 lb. 1 850 10 lb. 1 950 9 lb. No dry sumps, external pumps, no vac pump, no billet pumps, no belt drive, (negotiable on some of these, just trying to keep the cost down) Distributor in stock location only, No titanium or carbon fiber driveline parts, other then drive shaft for safety, and less breakage. Stud mounted rockers only, other then Miopar, (Think how the cam Co. would go for that) No RPM chips, must just drive. Spec box, let's say 7A. Spec 12.5, or 13.5 slicks. Cam must be stock journal diameter. Lifters also. Cranks not limited to stroke, but can not visibly be the ultimate. We'll discuss that later when I can actually explain it. Remember, tech MUST be simple. No left hand starters. 10" min diameter single disc clutch. No counter wts. No computers. No wheelie wheels. If my mind engages again, I'll let you know of other ideas. Ha! Let me know, but you get the drift.

[randy wilson]

Also, .4 pro tree only. That's about the only thing I'd throw a baby fit about. Trust me, it is WAY better in the long run. Been there, and done that. And I ain't even that good on one anymore, but the guys who are, should be rewarded. Believe it or not, I already have 3 small sponsors already lined up for me personally, and I've never had a sponsor in my life.

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

OK, Todd, I like 5 speeds because the more gears you hit, the better fans love it. But, only on the condition you Truly have to clutch, and shift ALL gears in a truly conventional way. I have ideas on how to make that happen, or make clutchless guys add 150 lbs. That will cure them. Now Dick. Here's what I've always had in the back of my mind as far as simple, affordable, interesting, and challenging. Also, very exciting, and. Here goes. Min. wt, 3,000 lbs. min. cube, 280, max cube 360. 9, 10, 11, lbs. per c.i.d. .01 per half lb. in the 1\8. .15 per half lb. in the 1\4. Brodix spec heads, Mopar, Ford, and Chevy. ONLY mods allowed are angle, or straight milling, valve job, and polishing the combustion chamber. Any valve, or limit them to steel. Just trying to save tear down problems, so bear with me. ANY cast intake, no external mods, readily available, any max. 2 " spacer, 1 750, 11 lb. 1 850 10 lb. 1 950 9 lb. No dry sumps, external pumps, no vac pump, no billet pumps, no belt drive, (negotiable on some of these, just trying to keep the cost down) Distributor in stock location only, No titanium or carbon fiber driveline parts, other then drive shaft for safety, and less breakage. Stud mounted rockers only, other then Miopar, (Think how the cam Co. would go for that) No RPM chips, must just drive. Spec box, let's say 7A. Spec 12.5, or 13.5 slicks. Cam must be stock journal diameter. Lifters also. Cranks not limited to stroke, but can not visibly be the ultimate. We'll discuss that later when I can actually explain it. Remember, tech MUST be simple. No left hand starters. 10" min diameter single disc clutch. No counter wts. No computers. No wheelie wheels. If my mind engages again, I'll let you know of other ideas. Ha! Let me know, but you get the drift.

I've been around for a long time as a fan and racer..........
Sorry , but this just isn't very appealing........too heavy and too many restrictions. Counter weight? So what.......who cares if I'm ( or anyones ) running counter weights? Same with a vac pump? I f the budget is so tight you can't afford a vac pump then you should be bracket racing or NOT racing at all.
" 1 750, 11 lb. 1 850 10 lb. 1 950 9 lb. " I have no idea what this means
No wheelie bars?
The cars with these rules would struggle to run mid nines........if nines at all.

[randy wilson]

Hey Joe. I've been around for 58 years, and you can write the rules however you want. But let me explain. No counter wts. Less chance of someone going clutchless. No vac pump? Save $1,500 dollars. Same for everyone. It ain't like I have one, and no one else does. Also, I did one at 10.5 lbs. per cube in 08, that would run 9.80 's at close to 138 mph. A 750 cfm carburetor is rated at 750 cfm. An 850 cfm carburetor is rated at 850 cfm. A 950 carburetor is rated at 950 cfm. As far as the wt. have an 8 lb. class at 2700 lbs. I really don't care. He asked for my ideas, and I gave them to him. Pardon my *** all to hell. You write your version, and send it to him. Speed ain't going to sell this class. Competition is.

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

. No counter wts. Less chance of someone going clutchless. No vac pump? Save $1,500 dollars.

I guess I just assume everyone is like me if they use a clutch assisted trans..............I would not use my Nash clutchless. I may add a little CW if I pull the base down enough.........but still clutch assisted.

If I'm building an engine and I'm buying pistons from "whomever" and have a choice I'm going skinny and low RT. The added cost is "neligible" . The vac pumps are avilable for around $700.00.
http://www.gzmotorsports.com/CPVK102...-pump-kit.html
and I still dont understand this? 1 750, 11 lb. 1 850 10 lb. 1 950 9 lb.
Remember , a-holes , opinions and the old saying.....

And YES , speed will sell this class..........I can't understate that point and we definately don't agree on that.

[randy wilson]

Let me get this straight. You don't understand what a 750, 850, and 950 cfm carb is? I very much doubt that. If we want all the current bells, and whistles, there's comp. Like I suggested, send him your version. I don't want, or need to have my way. It was just a idea. Speed doesn't sell super gas, or super comp. More people will watch the SS\K class run off at the class nationals then that stuff. Also, if you want to pull 20 plus inches of vac, you will have a star pump or an equal.

[Dick Butler]

Randy, didnt get out of town before had to go to work (short one employee).
Your ideas and mine are very similar. No Vac, No exotic stuff. The Heads up racing will be the attraction of the class And CHEAP. Thought an index can be assigned to this class so it can compete in SS at Points meets till it gets strong enough to be separate. I would allow Automatic with Brake if possible and give a 50 lb or so wt reduction .

[Todd Bailey]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and we have this great site to express them. I don't agree, however, that speed is the driving force of this proposed eliminator. I would MUCH rather watch Robin Brown's Chevy II than a Top Sportsman car. I truly believe that the attraction will still be the high RPM's coupled to a stick shift. Randy is just throwing out ideas on a class. Keep the ideas coming in because it has to start somewhere!!

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by Todd Bailey

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and we have this great site to express them. I don't agree, however, that speed is the driving force of this proposed eliminator. I would MUCH rather watch Robin Brown's Chevy II than a Top Sportsman car. I truly believe that the attraction will still be the high RPM's coupled to a stick shift. Randy is just throwing out ideas on a class. Keep the ideas coming in because it has to start somewhere!!

I have to "qualify" my comment........
Speed within reason.......is what I'm suggesting. This racer is about as much "Modified Production" influenced as any.
My "speed" parameters would be cars running 9.0s to 10.50s. Thats it , the end.

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Let me get this straight. You don't understand what a 750, 850, and 950 cfm carb is? I very much doubt that. If we want all the current bells, and whistles, there's comp. Like I suggested, send him your version. I don't want, or need to have my way. It was just a idea. Speed doesn't sell super gas, or super comp. More people will watch the SS\K class run off at the class nationals then that stuff. Also, if you want to pull 20 plus inches of vac, you will have a star pump or an equal.

It's your connection with weights at CFMs.....go back and look at the way you listed them So your saying an 11lb car runs a 750? 850' s a 10lb car? I'm even dumber than I thought. Why do you need 20 inches of vac?
Thats right , speed doesn't sell Super gas , Super comp or Super street....and thats about the WORST form of drag racing there is........personally , if thats all that was ever left for drag racing I'd run away from the hobby as fast as I could .