Anyone test Renegade fuel ?

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

After changing the tune up, mine likes C11. I have never had a problem with fuel check. Even after sitting in plastic fuel jugs for the winter.

Ed, What is your routine when storing the car for a few weeks between races?
Was told with VP it is wise to fog the engine with Marvel Mystery Oil. This involves changing to old plugs for the fog down. At the next race restart with old plugs when MMO burns off install good plugs.
I run a fuel injected car also and wonder about the caustic chemicals in VP.

Thanks

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed, What is your routine when storing the car for a few weeks between races?
Was told with VP it is wise to fog the engine with Marvel Mystery Oil. This involves changing to old plugs for the fog down. At the next race restart with old plugs when MMO burns off install good plugs.
I run a fuel injected car also and wonder about the caustic chemicals in VP.

Thanks

Frank, I think fogging it is a good idea with any fuel. I've never had any problems with plug either. Mine clean right up. Maybe I don't fog mine as heavy?

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Frank, I think fogging it is a good idea with any fuel. I've never had any problems with plug either. Mine clean right up. Maybe I don't fog mine as heavy?

This is new to me personally. have always run Sunoco with no problem until recently. My local supplier has handling issues which bit me @ E-Town. Along with the possible closure of the PA refinery that has been making the race fuel.
Ran VP C-12 the end of last season. The exhaust valves were really beat up. Was told that is an issue with VP. Need to fog the engine when stored for more than a few days. The funny thing is that some racers who do not fog their engines make some of the best runs before the freshen up that exposed the beat up valve. So go figure but I would rather the engine come apart clean.

Frank

[1320racer]

Mike perhaps you missed my post/question...

Originally Posted by Mike Croley

Renegade is as good as people say .

But are they a refiner/are they producing the fuel or buying the fuel and reselling and if not a refiner who is making the fuel they sell?

Never heard of them until a few months ago.

As for Torco, used it one time and never again. Leaked past my carb gaskets and stained my intake manifold. Sunoco nor VP have ever done that.

[Mike Croley]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Mike perhaps you missed my post/question...


But are they a refiner/are they producing the fuel or buying the fuel and reselling and if not a refiner who is making the fuel they sell?

Never heard of them until a few months ago.

As for Torco, used it one time and never again. Leaked past my carb gaskets and stained my intake manifold. Sunoco nor VP have ever done that.

No , i didn't miss your post , i just wasn't sure what question you wanted answered .
I can't tell you too much about your Torco problem , could have been an issue with the brand of gasket you were using . Staining comes from the dye used in race fuels to distinguish one from another . Some companies use more dye than others , but all race fuels can and do stain . Race engine builders have long used the traces of dye to follow race fuel through the manifold and head ports to get an idea of flow .

Renegade hasn't done nearly as much advertising over the years as some companies . Doesn't mean they aren't as good or even better . Just means they spend their money on other things like R&D . They have recently stepped up the marketing , that's probably why you starting hearing more about them .

ALL race gasolines are refined , there's no other way to make race gasoline . They start with base stock . And then EVERY race fuel company buys compounds and chemicals from a number of sources to add to the base stock to create their own version of the best . And that's where the differences between race fuel brands come into play . Race gas formulas can be manipulated to make them do a wide variety of things . You can blend for max power , or you can blend for max torque . Or you can blend for mileage ( think NASCAR ) . And of course you can blend in certain compounds and chemicals to work with nitrous or supercharging/turbocharging . In F1 , race gasoline is also blended specifically for weight , every pound saved is an advantage .

[James L Miller]

I doubt most of the race fuel companies have their own refineries, except for the major oil companies like Sunoco and Conoco/Phillips. Here is a list of refineries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States

I don't see VP listed in San Antonio, but there is a NuStar Energy there. I'm sure VP blends various chemicals from the refinery to make their fuels. In general, the short chain alkanes have the higher octane ratings, but they also evaporate at the lower temperatures. Aromatics like benzene, xylene and toluene have good octane ratings. Well, one of the three xylenes do, the other two not so good. Here is a company that provides blendstocks for example:

http://www.texasaromatics.com/pages/blendstocks.html

It could be that some of the race fuels are blended at the refinery to the companies specifications.

[1320racer]

Thanks for the reply Mike even though you did your best to not answer my question.

Regardless, I ain't switching brands. I don't chose my brand of race fuel based on price and I would think most competitive stock/super racers don't either.

I'll wait and watch for initial as well long term user feedback from those I deem credible.