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Old 11-23-2010, 09:08 PM   #1
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Question Re: Steel vs Aluminum driveshaft

OK guys not sure what if any performance advantage if there is one but the BIG 3 have been installing aluminum driveshafts in rear wheel drive vehicles from Camaros to Lincolns to full size pick ups/vans etc for about 20 years---there must be a reason they are doing it--anybody wanna guess why a multi billion dollar company would do it?? It aint the color of silver vs. black or rust so why do ya think they are doing it????? comp 387
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OK guys not sure what if any performance advantage if there is one but the BIG 3 have been installing aluminum driveshafts in rear wheel drive vehicles from Camaros to Lincolns to full size pick ups/vans etc for about 20 years---there must be a reason they are doing it--anybody wanna guess why a multi billion dollar company would do it?? It aint the color of silver vs. black or rust so why do ya think they are doing it????? comp 387
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Old 11-25-2010, 07:43 PM   #3
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yep, that's what they tell me,too.mostly OD trans' have that problem for some reason.
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Old 11-25-2010, 10:20 PM   #4
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I had a buddy with a Cummings diesel Ram truck that had a serious vibration problem. Many trips to the dealer and it was a serious problem when towing his race car. The factory finally put a carbon fiber drive shaft in it and curred the problem. I'm sure there is a TSM on it and it can be applied to any mopar car in Stock.
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:25 AM   #5
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Default Re: Steel vs Aluminum driveshaft

The real reason that you would what to use a lighter driveshaft is the critical speed for the length of the shaft. Mild steel is good to a certain length where critical speed makes it impractical or dangerous to use in a racing application. Some racers complain about unbalanced slicks when it really is a driveshaft that has exceeded critical speed and has started to whip and bend while going down the track.

My son (a driveshaft engineer for one of the big three) has always told me that you need the lightest, shortest (hard to do), largest diameter driveshaft made from the stiffest material when building a shaft for racing. When you do all these things you raise the critical speed which will add to reliability and increase performance (if you were exceeding critical speed in the first place).

Stockers that have aluminum shafts already can be improved with larger diameter MMC material which again raises critical speed. Stockers with steel shafts can use larger diameter alloy shaft material.

Super Stockers should always adhere to what was stated in paragraph two.

Note: If you want a larger tube make sure that it fits in the tunnel and driveshaft loops before having it made.

If you want more information go here http://www.markwilliams.com/driveshafttech.aspx .

I am by no means an expert on the subject but I can sure talk to one any time when there is a question.
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Old 11-26-2010, 10:19 AM   #6
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I had a buddy with a Cummings diesel Ram truck that had a serious vibration problem. Many trips to the dealer and it was a serious problem when towing his race car. The factory finally put a carbon fiber drive shaft in it and curred the problem. I'm sure there is a TSM on it and it can be applied to any mopar car in Stock.
i wonder if amc can be included in that
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Old 11-26-2010, 11:22 AM   #7
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If you are going to call the Cummins Turbo Diesel a Cummings, then I am going to call your car a Rambler
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Old 11-26-2010, 11:52 AM   #8
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If you are going to call the Cummins Turbo Diesel a Cummings, then I am going to call your car a Rambler
HEY! HOLD ON!YOU CAN'T CALL MY CAR A RAMBLER!


oh yeah, it IS a rambler
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