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Old 11-18-2010, 07:36 PM   #1
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Final qualifying, class eliminations, and elimination runs of 1.00 seconds or more, under the index, at NHRA National and LODRS events will trigger an automatic review.
OK, I have a few questions. It says "Final qualifying." Does this mean they will only use what it says on the final qualifying sheet? For instance, someone goes 1.05, 1.03 and 1.01 under on his 3 qualifying passes. Since the 1.05 under only shows on the final qualifying sheet, does it only count as one trigger or do the other runs count as triggers also?



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Two K/SA Camaros running this combination ran 1.214- and 1.187- second under the index, triggering a review.

Under the new rules doesn't a run of more than 1.20 under mean this combo will get hit with automatic HP? Why would you still need to review the engine average?


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Old 11-18-2010, 07:53 PM   #2
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This is not the final draft, it is only the one they sent the council and I am sure correction will be made to match the changes before it hits the web site. That should read two runs under 1.00 under will trigger the review. 1.20 is automatic and the sliding scale kicks in after that.
And yes ALL runs count including all class runs and all LODRS runs. The wording can be a little confusing to me also.

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Old 11-18-2010, 09:31 PM   #3
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What is the "immediate change" number related to?
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More Automatic Help For Slugs
The automatic number is 1.20 Does that means a factored 1.2
Also the hit automatic hit increases by .05 seconds for every .05 seconds faster you go.
I think that sucks.
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What is the "immediate change" number related to?

I believe the number you're talking about is the index change for classes that don't use an HP/weight ratio.

So if a car goes 1.23 under it will get an immediate 3.25% increase in horsepower or an immediate .15 reduction in index, whichever is applicable.


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Old 11-18-2010, 10:29 PM   #6
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Looking pretty good to me. Should bring the really bogus stuff in line a lot quicker. I like both transmissions getting adjusted also. Looks like the tech dept. has put a lot of effort in it.
I may be nuts, but I'm a lot more optimistic about next year.
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This is not the final draft, it is only the one they sent the council and I am sure correction will be made to match the changes before it hits the web site. That should read two runs under 1.00 under will trigger the review. 1.20 is automatic and the sliding scale kicks in after that.
And yes ALL runs count including all class runs and all LODRS runs. The wording can be a little confusing to me also.

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Mike, Im sorry but why do you even post this if its not the FINAL DRAFT ! ?
Not really a good decision if you want my 2 cents.
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Mike, Im sorry but why do you even post this if its not the FINAL DRAFT ! ?
Not really a good decision if you want my 2 cents.
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Sorry if I affended you with the update. The SRAC council spent countless hours of thankless work on this and received and enormus amount of input from interested Stock and Super Stock Racer to present to the NHRA committee. The end result is and always will be there decision and they have the right to change there mind at any time. I felt that an update to these racers was in order. NO this is not the final draft but the basic rule before the example is the NHRA S/SS committiees intent.
No I am not interested in your 2 cents worth since I have seen no input from you to the SRAC council on this matter until now. I will be sure that any further updates that I post will be addressed to interested racers for updates only.

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Old 11-19-2010, 10:49 AM   #9
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I'm sure nobody cares to look at the lowly FWD classes. Although it qualifies for a HP reduction, it's a waste of time to request one for my Turismo, because it's already 150lb heavy for the class, and even with a HP reduction, I'd still have to add 500lb to get to the next class. The lower class breaks are SIX lbs per hp different. The fast guys don't want to go to .75 or 1 lb breaks because they'd have to carry so much weight... why's it ok for us and not for them?

NHRA DF/S... 150lb heavy, runs -.30 under
IHRA FF/SA... 80lb heavy, runs -1.000 under (-.95 under the old NHRA FF/SA class)
...something wrong with this picture?

Hey buddy, spare a buck for titanium parts?
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:54 AM   #10
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Michael, for what it is worth, I think Stock probably should have one pound weight breaks, from AA on down, starting at 7.0 pounds per HP.

It probably wouldn't work for Super Stock with the high HP ratings some engines have for Super Stock.
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