Once again a bogus combination

[hemidup]

I'm glad that most are afraid of the new little Gen III Hemi's. Ford had to add a power booster to compete with the new Hemi.

[SS Engine Guy]

.....and both had to come up with bogus horsepower factors to compete with the stuff already out there.

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

.....and both had to come up with bogus horsepower factors to compete with the stuff already out there.

Bogus HP factors or not, I still haven't seen where the new Challenger's or Mustang's have dominated anywhere. Have you?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by hemidup

Bogus HP factors or not, I still haven't seen where the new Challenger's or Mustang's have dominated anywhere. Have you?

Maybe its because the money guys who are buying these new cars cant drive a nail with a hammer much less drive a race car? Unless its a heads up run they are dead meat. LOL

[Paul Ceasrine]

Gone are the days (1968/1969) when the NHRA only re-factored the;
Mopar 340; from 275HP to 310HP
Ford 428 Cobra-Jet; from 335HP to 360HP
S/S AMX 390; from 340HP to 405HP.
My daughter was going to buy a bicycle to ride, but we heard the NHRA was going to re-factor it, before she ever rode it.
OHHH,, THE NHRA,,Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio?
PC

[Dean Roberts]

Greg and others, where was all this grandstanding when GM told NHRA that they built '98 Firebirds and Camaros with LT1 engines? And of course, NHRA allowed it. In fact, every racer who has ever lost a round to one of these cars has lost to a paper car that was never built from the factory. I believe NHRA was driving GMC trucks during this time.

Greg, and others, does this not bother you?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dean Roberts

Greg and others, where was all this grandstanding when GM told NHRA that they built '98 Firebirds and Camaros with LT1 engines? And of course, NHRA allowed it. In fact, every racer who has ever lost a round to one of these cars has lost to a paper car that was never built from the factory. I believe NHRA was driving GMC trucks during this time.

Greg, and others, does this not bother you?

My 98 Firebird shows the LT-1 option in the owner's manual. Besides, the difference between a 97 F body and a 98 F body is body panels (the 98 is just a better looking car). At least it wasn't a car that was nearly 100HP under factored, or a car with an engine that was NEVER offered by the manufacturer in ANY car for street use, or a car that can never be registered for street use or even driven off the lot when purchased.

And I guess the 98 LT-1 F body deal in the past makes it "anything goes" in the future.

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Dean Roberts

Greg and others, where was all this grandstanding when GM told NHRA that they built '98 Firebirds and Camaros with LT1 engines? And of course, NHRA allowed it. In fact, every racer who has ever lost a round to one of these cars has lost to a paper car that was never built from the factory. I believe NHRA was driving GMC trucks during this time.

Greg, and others, does this not bother you?

98 Firebirds and Camaros are no different than 97's. These cars were way under rated to start with and it's taken 16 years for the LT1's to get the rating they now have. I had to race against the LS1's when they were rated at 305hp. They are now 369 or 373 in the Camaro's and Firebird's. Why do you think the fuel injected classes were implemented? It was the failure of NHRA to properly factor these cars. I have no doubt that Pontiac being the official car and GMC being the official truck was the main reason these cars didn't get properly factored. That being said this is way more bogus than anything GM did back in those days. These are cars that were never made. The rules had to be changed just to allow these cars in stock. They had an opportunity to put these crate motor cars in their own class and decided to let them run in regular stock classes with hp ratings so Bogus Ray Charles could see they weren't right.

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by hemidup

Bogus HP factors or not, I still haven't seen where the new Challenger's or Mustang's have dominated anywhere. Have you?

Sure have seen it. Whatever class they have been entered into. Because of the hp rating and that alone. Put 50 on them or take 50 off their competition and see where they fall.
As the last few pages attest to, these aren't the only combos that have ever been soft.

And please don't take this as an attack on anyone who is running one of these combos. I think it is a smart move. I just don't think that making a killer combo with a pencil says much for the way our rules are being enforced.

By the way...... anybody know what taking those 3 tenths away accomplished?

[John Quinn]

Originally Posted by hemidup

I'm glad that most are afraid of the new little Gen III Hemi's. Ford had to add a power booster to compete with the new Hemi.

If you took a look outside of NHRA and IHRA racing you would see that most of the cars being racd by the younger crowd have power boosters. The younger crowd can't understand why you wouldn't want one. Ford is marketing to those guys.