Hosepower on monday?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Couldn't agree with you more Jared. The cam in my '78 360 is even smaller @.423 and yet it is still rated at 289hp and the new 360 is rated @ 275! Also remember the car ran 10.50 @ 127 on Thursday. I'm sure there is plenty left! This is very similar to when the LS1 first came out. Jim

Im curious as to what people educated with this motor (albeit a hair different in a DP, and the DP Chassis)

What do you "guess" or reasonably think the 5.9 Combo is good for if someone were to let the tounge hang out ? And after the FI gets dialed in as well as other items noone is really familiar with yet on this particular motor ?

9.8 ish ? 10 flat ? 10.2 (I think its already capable of that but thats just a "feeling") ????

Im curious as to what an "educated" guess is on this combo.....my LA experience is 1 engine for a friend when I was about 20.....and taking them out of cars and putting them in storage (we are building a 70-74 Challenger LA block collection apparently)

I think Long term Mr Teuton made a Great choice from an Investment perspective, I think, maybe wrong I think only 5 were ordered ?

[junior barns]

jared jordan said

Absolutely Jim. I remember when the LS1's debuted at Pomona in '95. Martha Thompson qualified #1 in G/SA. Now the same cars are still competitive in AA and A. Only took 15 years. I hope NHRA pulls their heads out a little sooner with regard to these combo's

Use to be competitive in AA and A! I cant remember what these cars HP started out with or even where they are now only remember getting my but kicked by them until they moved to injected class until they worked the factor out! But, I dont think they were this far out of line! Like you said (more like 150hp short)

Class Racing is what we all do. We all like to think that if we work hard enough we can at the very least be competitive in a class run off. We put our trust in the NHRA to keep a sumwhat level paying field. A 2 tenth advantage is never good when your on the wrong end but it's manageable. But 5 to 8 tenth or more advantage will never work. The hp system will never catch up!

Yes some people will say ( If you cant keep up then get another car or get a diff combo) but what is going on now is not like finding an abscure combo that no one has run and going 2 sec under, its inserting cars in the heart of the classes where there are hundreds of people all over the country and now there cars are ALL obsolete

ps What I said before NHRA what a joke!!!

[Greg Hill]

This is no different than letting the GM fast burn motor run in the new Camaro's at 275 hp. Oh by the way it's rated at 385hp for crate motor purposes in IHRA. Whats being done to stock will eventually kill the class. If you remember the reason for the creation of the fuel injected classes was the failure of NHRA to properly factor the fuel injected motors. I can remember having to run the LS1's in F/SA when they were rated at 305 hp. and my old motor was 315. They are now 369 unless you have a Corvette or GTO in which case they are 340.

For all of us who have spent years and years and thousands of dollars working on their combinations it's a slap in the face. If NHRA really cared about it's members they would handle these new cars in a fair and equitable manner. Oh I forgot, they don't have members just sheep who blindly follow along because we are addicted to what we do. I have just finished a new car for my son Andrew and spent north of $35,000 rolling on it. It is a D/SA 70 Z28 Camaro and he is very proud of it. This is probably a 9 tenths under car [ new indexes ]. He would get out run by one of the new 5.7 hemi's by at least a half a second.

Jeff Teuton is a good friend of mine and he has a great looking car, but it should not be in stock eliminator, they only made 3 with that motor. If NHRA is going to allow these cars like the Challenger and new Mustang to race in Stock they should be in their own classes For those of you who think the horse power factoring will take care of these cars, yeah right, in about 15 years. This is discouraging to say the least.

[Woodro Josey]

Jared, in all fairness to Martha, she had an LT1 not LS1!

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Tom, i looked at all the runs made only 9 in Stock was faster then their qualifying and i have not done the eliminations yet.

Reason i thought i would count them was i was told by my buddy down there he was weighing them.

Remember since I don't have nothing to do with the NHRA HP anymore I felt what runs i count is my call and i thought about it this way, if this would of been a regular divisional event it would of counted on the Q sheet.

I've always thought i should cover runs made at a NHRA/IHRA race that has scales and gas check. In the past i have counted the time trail run that was made before Rd 1 at the Dutch Classic, maybe I'm wrong, i don't know, i guess I cant please everyone.

I was just thinking and i edit this to say this, the weighing deal is no different then them waving you by after a Q run I've seen at times done. I don't know, nice thing about it i guess it's my choice on what i want to do i guess, hope it's ok.

[Woodro Josey]

Joe, you da' man, we appreciate what you do for us!

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Tom, i looked at all the runs made only 9 in Stock was faster then their qualifying and i have not done the eliminations yet.

Reason i thought i would count them was i was told by my buddy down there he was weighing them.

Remember since I don't have nothing to do with the NHRA HP anymore I felt what runs i count is my call and i thought about it this way, if this would of been a regular divisional event it would of counted on the Q sheet.

I've always thought i should cover runs made at a NHRA/IHRA race that has scales and gas check. In the past i have counted the time trail run that was made before Rd 1 at the Dutch Classic, maybe I'm wrong, i don't know, i guess I cant please everyone.


I was just thinking and i edit this to say this, the weighing deal is no different then them waving you by after a Q run I've seen at times done. I don't know, nice thing about it i guess it's my choice on what i want to do i guess, hope it's ok.

Joe, In all fairness would you count TestNTune runs in your stats?
If these runs did not count torwards AHFS or a Q run then scales and fuel check should
have been closed or scale for your own info...my2cents

[Jared Jordan]

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

Jared, in all fairness to Martha, she had an LT1 not LS1!

Whoops! Shows what I know about GM stuff! LOL

[69ss/rs]

Originally Posted by Jared Jordan

Whoops! Shows what I know about GM stuff! LOL

Hey Jared; being a SuperStock racer what is your take on the Mustangs that are running in ss/aa & ss/ba? After looking at what Rock Haas was running last year and then looking at what they did this year with the new index, shows that there was/is surely sandbagging going on.

[Jared Jordan]

Originally Posted by 69ss/rs

Hey Jared; being a SuperStock racer what is your take on the Mustangs that are running in ss/aa & ss/ba? After looking at what Rock Haas was running last year and then looking at what they did this year with the new index, shows that there was/is surely sandbagging going on.

I don't know how much of it was sandbagging and how much of it was sorting out a brand new combination. Rock's car is real fast though. 8.9's in a D car is incredible.

What I DO know is that, similar to Stock, the "old" combo's won't be able to hang with the new Mustangs in SS/AA or SS/BA. The rumor flying around not too long ago was that Ford Engineers claimed those cars make 1000 hp. I've since heard they make more than that. Based on the performance of PB Candies' new Super Cobra Jet in Belle Rose, I have no doubt they'll be wicked fast.

The best Race Hemi motors are approaching 1000 horsepower now, but that's after 40+ years of development. I don't think the new CJ's have even't scratched the surface of their performance potential. Considering that it's currently rated @ 500 hp (same as my Belvedere), I expect them to be running mid 8's before long. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they're as quick or quicker than Daniels' Dart at SS/AA weight. No doubt they'll need to be factored, but I don't think they're as far out of line as the CJ combo's in Stock. The "new" motors already have a lot of the advantages that an SS motor would have over a Stocker anyway.