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Old 02-03-2010, 12:00 AM   #1
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Default Re: Challenger Drag Pak Owners

I've been reading all this nonsense from the beginning and this will be my only post on this.

All this stuff that drooze thought of that is going to put this car in the "8's," wouldn't someone else, who actually has drag racing experience, have already thought of and tried these things?
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:39 AM   #2
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Apparently you to misunderstand.

I said I think it is POSSIBLE, and I think it will happen.

We are NOT trying to put our car in the 8's BUT

The road for us is the exact same for the destination.

Think of it this way, we have 3 phases planned 1 is done and will be testing and wrung out through Gaiensville, Phase 2 through early Aug and Phase 3 from then till early next season.

We want to keep the car in a competitive upward reach. Not build it run be done.

We are not shooting for 8's that is NOWHERE on our Roadmap.

BUT The path to get there is the same EXACT path as it is to stay competitive and outfront over the long haul (a season)

So......if the opportunity or "off ramp" should show itself within that time maybe a detour is in order.

Now do you understand what I am saying ? I want the car to do it, and by saying we plan for it, were not planning for the 8's were planning to keep the car ahead.

In as much as "who actually has drag racing experience" we do have that, we have more in other areas, but stock eliminator is new....big difference to NO drag experience.

But to me, thats all the more reason to ignore other pundits, Thinking "well if other havent done it I cant" is a certain recipie for utter failure

"Wether you think you can or not youre right"
"The bigges deterent to progress is .... oh hell I cant remeber.....Basically common knowledge or ASSUMING someone else knows something you dont is also a recipie for failure 100%

I ASSUMED that when these engines were put together that they were put together RIGHT, and that the cam position in was correct and that there was no way Stanton missed something like this, and that I, ME, I must be missing something, that it had to be right and I was not understanding the setup.

I was 100% Wrong, the cam was in wrong, I , my gut was right......so in as much as people with "actual drag experience" well thats 1 item, 2 is is it harder to pull 65 hp out of a 326cc engine or 750 out of a 383 inch engine ? The details on a smaller engine are that much more critical, I also can work on watches and camera shutters in my sleep, but that happens from living in the "Watch Room" with a grandfather who was a wathcmaker, not a repairman, a watch MAKER, who taught me well.....so YES I think we know things others dont in engines......by June well see....I could be 100% wrong, and that will be 100% OK too.....

I mean how many people ever , ever in their lifetime who love cars get an opporunity to build (less cage and such) a Drag Pak car themselves, with their own hands 100% Paint, wiring, plumbing etc......ever.....Making EVERY decision on EVERY part that goes in with no contratints, noone to answer to, no "client" no wife.....just build it the way you feel it should be built.

On a car, of this importance (historically the DP cars I mean) I will NEVER see an opportunity like this again , of that I am pretty certain. So Im here to enjoy the Journey, being able to do it with the old man, the things we used to do before he got sick.....I mean really ?

For US the Journey has been the reward the rest is gravy

For the other 100 DP Owners/ Builders.....Im sure they will see it the same, to be fortunate to even participate has been a privlage and worth it all in itself.

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Chris

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I've been reading all this nonsense from the beginning and this will be my only post on this.

All this stuff that drooze thought of that is going to put this car in the "8's," wouldn't someone else, who actually has drag racing experience, have already thought of and tried these things?
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:21 AM   #3
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We are NOT trying to put our car in the 8's BUT
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I think, and still do the ENGINE is capable of pushing this car to an 8.99...There is no reason not........Well we do know EXACTLY what it takes
Sure seems like to me that you think your car is capable and there is no reason why you wont run 8's???

We all know what it's going to take......


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Old 02-03-2010, 09:43 AM   #4
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Lol....I dont think its capable now, I think it has the potential to be. 10 even would be GREAT for a first outing with this motor.

I have GOT TO HAVE that Patch....thats sweeeeeetttt....dont like the green, but I think with a #24 on it, one on the old mans shirt one on mine that would be great. Thanks, now I got to go find someone who custom stitches patches before Pomona....just what I needed something else to add to my list.

Better be nice, you havent heard much about "Morroco Mole" latley, there is a reason for that, after suffering a serious frontal lobe injury from attempting , quite accidently to open the "Squirrel Mobile" briefcase in an elevator injuring several innocent bystandards.....1 of the also brain injured animals , (now a meat eating rabbit) had decided to go off and become villans, "Morroco" was caught attempting to tunnel under the White House lawn and fill the sprinkler system with JP1.....he is currently undergoing rehabilitation at an "undisclosed" location and it appears his progress is slower than wed like, but he has mentioned he would like to contribute to the efforts of DP #24, I just have real concerns about allowing him access to racing fuels and nitromethane.......He says hes Ok...but well Im not quite sure

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I have GOT TO HAVE that Patch....thats sweeeeeetttt....
You get the patch once you run 8's.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:44 AM   #6
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Come on now. No DP is going in the 8's in Stock. If you crack into the 9's you did good. The categorized to make a mockery of Stock mustangs are capable but even there odds are slim as they will need to haul from the get go with a -1.60 before getting horsepower.
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Let take Irv Johns as an example, and what is KNOWN to the General Public about his car and how it has run in a very short time.

I use Irv because he is fast. And he has a superior car setup and he know his stuffz period

He ran 9.74 fat.....I think by about the 14th or so pass on the motors....he can correct me if Im wrong, we talked about #s of runs under certain motors....so I could be wrong)

Cracking into the 9's .... easier than you might think with one of these.

So......a car the 14th pass out there, a well done car granted rann 9.74 fat AT a sanctioned event. You dont think hell be seein 9.4 by the mid year ? If he isnt I will be wholly dissapointed....BUT hell need a reason....If , and I say IF someone pushes him there I have no doubt he will....I dont think hes willing to be slower than anyone. I like that, actually I love that, put 3 or 4 Atype personalities in the mix of these cars.....9.4 will EASILY happen before you can blink.......easily , I have a real good idea 9.4+ is already possible from a couple of cars.....and this from other people who are familar with the cars, NOT My "uneducated lack of experince dosent know squat about anything" opinion.....but from others.....I got a call asking what we were planning to do for certain races from an "agent" of another team.....why ? He can go faster, and will if we run hot.....why ? Because he can and wont be 1 upped , something I understand completley and respect....its racing its fun, its about who can DO what, not just talk on forums about it......talking is fine, but in the time I have been talking here Ive also been working and in that time have taken a raw chassis to running car.....so...next steps running the hell out of it.

I wish heda just asked me himself, I would have told him straight up what our plan was, but he dosent know me that well to know that what I would have told him is/is not accurate, weve only chatted briefly a few times.....I think the reason for going through the other person was he trusts them, and know we trust them, he knew I would give the other person the straight up, and he could get that from them......so be it......were "ducking" at Pomona....if we make it without blowing the engine to little shards in our testing en-route.

You like Irv are 100% correct the issue will be in how or when, / IF it can be done, it will need to be done in such a way it has been done, tested and wrung out "off sanction" so it could be "Sprung" back into the fray...done outside the auspices of normal increases....a REAL "Pak Attack" as it were.....(I do like that name for Warfords car....good choice)....

Well be running the 5.7 combo for a good while, I think there is more potential in it because of factors, what happens between now an then with the 6.1 factors....who knows....noone does....

The car I believe is Physically capable within the rules of running to 8.99 with a bit of time and figuring out like I said up to a year. Thats with engine , trans and rear, car all NHRA spec......Now.....with factors it is a different game....and since noone know where these will be by the time the car is physically capable , thats the big question.

2 different issues.....1 strictly mechanical based on rules. 2 strictly legislative on factors. #1 I think can be done, #2 .... HellI have more Idea pissing into the wind off the empire state building the balance of males / females that the spray will hit at the bottom than how/where/when factors on these 6.1 combos will be adjusted, EXCEPT what I plan to do to the 6.1 factors if Im able. Thats why I do plan, it takes something outside of my control and puts it directly into my influence, taking that control from others is key for a good season plan to succeed and I will "force" a hand at every single turn given the option. I do in poker and this is no different.

This is going to be my last post on this here....I allowed myself to be "off coursed" and am going to send the admins a message about moving this into a seperate thread.

I started this thread FOR 1 REASON , to List DP Owner who WISH to be listed....nothing else....I, ME, allowed myself to be off tracked for several reasons, lack of sleep I am going to blame as 1, but just because I made the mistake dosent mean I cant be the one to correct it.....

Soooooooooooooooo No more posts from me in THIS thread about this..

This thread is to list DP owners, simple , ENTIRLEY my fault for off tracking and allowing myself to be off tracked here in this thread.

Cheers........

Damm I want the patch NOW (I just ordered 6 of em...lol)

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Come on now. No DP is going in the 8's in Stock. If you crack into the 9's you did good. The categorized to make a mockery of Stock mustangs are capable but even there odds are slim as they will need to haul from the get go with a -1.60 before getting horsepower.
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