Deconstructing Stock

[67 Post GS]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Good for you - and keep it up ...........BTW , I sure miss Quadra-Jets .....still got a pile somewhere .

Thanks Jack. If you want to sell your pile of quads let me know!

[Billy Nees]

OK, let me take a crack at this. What would you think about leaving Stock as is with a couple of little exceptions. Those being, reinstate all of the FWD classes (AA to H, stick and auto), put more imports in the guide if people want to run them and then soften up on all of the HP factors on the nonturbo cars and make it easy to run under the indexes with them. They could be built cheap, raced cheap and sold cheap and they wouldn't have to be "high tech" to run. I've seen a number of young people who started out in FWD cars because that was what they could afford move up to Stock and SS as permitted. Basically, make the FWDs the "entry level" of the sport. (M.B., feel free to chime in now)

[Michael Beard]

Yeah, what Billy said.

[Robert Swartz]

How about this for a thought. We already have indexes. What about doing something like the "stock appearing" or "hobby stock" eliminator. Simple rules, no hood scoops, tires must fit inside stock wheel wells, no mini tubs. Full stock interior, allow racing seats, if there are two and have belts. No throttle stops, delay boxes or trans brakes. The only computer controls being what the car has.

You could do the index breaks on either half second of full second breaks. Cap the A index at 11.50, that way, you don't have to have a roll bar in the car. Granted it might be a nightmare to administer and determine how to class cars. Here again, just an idea to kick around. This would be something for the local or divisional level only.

[chris ok]

I work for Nissan, VW is next door. The parking area of these 2 dealers is flooded w Imports, a couple of American cars mixed in. The kids like the Sport Compact cars for the most part, cheap and affordable. Not to step on hallowed ground here but if you want them racing at all, you need a jr. stock or something of that nature.
Billy Nees seems to be onto something. I am w these kids everyday, the 20 to 30 somethings.
But I read a while back on this we in Div. 1 have no problem filling fields of stockers which is why I think a jr. stock program of some sort.

Chris. It actually would help out our economy too, more work n jobs working on cars.

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK, let me take a crack at this. What would you think about leaving Stock as is with a couple of little exceptions. Those being, reinstate all of the FWD classes (AA to H, stick and auto), put more imports in the guide if people want to run them and then soften up on all of the HP factors on the nonturbo cars and make it easy to run under the indexes with them. They could be built cheap, raced cheap and sold cheap and they wouldn't have to be "high tech" to run. I've seen a number of young people who started out in FWD cars because that was what they could afford move up to Stock and SS as permitted. Basically, make the FWDs the "entry level" of the sport. (M.B., feel free to chime in now)

I agree. We lost a few racers in div 6 when they changed the indexes. We also need to get more of the newer cars in the guide, import and domestic, especially the ones the general public can buy off the showroom floor.

[Chad Rhodes]

I think the crate motors were a great idea that got out of hand. I think some form of a spec stock would be something to consider. Pick a oft used body style of each manufacturer (82-92 camaro, fox body, and volare for simplicity. Have sealed crate motors, a list of part number converters, spec trans, spec shocks and tires, limit to off the shelf part number heads, etc. this is not stock as it exists today, but it should put the tuner/driver back into the equation, and the checkbook somewhat out of the equation.

[THE LEGEND]

Just my 2 cents worth.
Most youth only understand Headsup, Shoe Polish, Power Adders, 10.5, etc, etc,etc.
They have Zero Knowledge of Stocker racing. When I had my stockers Kids would come up and always ask how much spray.LOL

Most Jr's go to a long skinny car when it's time to move up.

My point being is I don't know what the answer is.
Chip Johnson

[cicero819]

I agree with Billy Nees and Chad you are close to resolving the problem. Unfortunately Chip you are right on but we have all changed, mostly when I see motorhomes with stacking trailers that could solve most banana republics gross domestic income problems.lol Last year racing my front wheel drive Oldsmobile a young person asked me what was wrong with me, racing my street car at the track against race car. I tried to explain to him but unfortunately it went over his head which he was shaking as he was walking away. I'm still not giving up.Claude

[Ed Wright]

When I go to the local Friday night test n tune sessions I often get asked about my car by young guys. They like how it sounds and the wheel stands. LOL
After hearing how it's Built they always tell me they don't know why I would want to deal with so many rules. It's the "What about me?" generation.