Deconstructing Stock

[Notch1320]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

Like a class called "coyote stock" in the NMRA. Heads up, sealed 5.0 engine and computer. Rule guide for chassis.

That class was also designed to try to keep cost down and get guys with chassis back in the game. Admittedly I liked the concept. Although the engine building is the fun part. The first couple races had 2 cars show up. I haven't followed it closely though.

Exactly! If the NMRA ran this class on the west coast, I would be all over it. Great concept. You will begin to see more and more NMRA racers moving Coyote Stock soon.

[D.Johns]

It is a very cool class. High 10s NA without breaking the bank. Sealed engine ~$8k. I hope to see it thrive. Knowing the guys that helped develop the class they had great intentions. FRPP has been supportive of it from my understanding. I would like to have given it a shot. Too much traveling for me and NMRA has worse politics and terrible payouts then the NHRA IMO.

[cicero819]

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

Sorry, Ed; no beatdown today. There is absolutely no question what you said is true but the folks on this board will (apparently) never understand. If they did, they'd realize exactly how the sport has reached its current state...and why.

Ed's is correct but the sport is still popular and for one, I don't want to see it vanish because some people are greasing their pockets and has the band wagon hitch up and ready to leave town. Bret could you elaborate your quote, because I feel that I'm having trouble following the trend you seem to be eyeing. If you mean that people are way too much in the now and not enough in the future than I agree. Anyways, we need Pure Stock at a Divisional entry level, to help bring new blood and let the old fart like myself run. For the people who say leave stock alone, if you have to pay $5.000 for heads than it's not really stock, is it? Bring Pure Stock or even a form of Crate Motor with a claimer program, problem solved. Claude Ruel

[Emmett Mikolajczyk]

I think we should run Ken Bugaj for President !!!---Keep it simple stupid!!! And glad to see Len still keeps up with Stock--later--Emmett

I think to run a class this way, you need tech enforcement to take radical steps. Like in NASCAR , they supply the ecu's at the begining of the race. Then they take them back at the end. Maybe a claimer rule for the engines. Guys will take them apart and reseal back up when they are done doing the work. I think the word affordable and heads up can not be mentioned in the same sentence . It's nice to dream!

Originally Posted by D.Johns

Like a class called "coyote stock" in the NMRA. Heads up, sealed 5.0 engine and computer. Rule guide for chassis.

That class was also designed to try to keep cost down and get guys with chassis back in the game. Admittedly I liked the concept. Although the engine building is the fun part. The first couple races had 2 cars show up. I haven't followed it closely though.

[KEN BUGAJ]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Most Guys who are building crate motor cars, are doing it for ease of aquiring parts and to save money. And that is a good concept. Do you think that if Crate cars make it into NHRA, guys won't put money into them and make them real fast? Then the cheap bracket bomber that guys intend those cars to be will change quickly into uncompetive cars, or heads up fodder for the fast up to date cars that would breed quickly. Especially in places like the Northeast, or division 7 where the income of the racer is higher than the guys racing in the southeast .

Hi Todd,
You can stop all that with one new rule, No heads up runs other than in class run off's !
I know alot of guy's don't want to hear that, but new people don't want to spend 50 or 60 K
on a car to race,

[MikeFicacci]

Divison 1 is doing just fine in the "entry level" department. Last two races had 102 and 96 Stockers. Can't speak for the rest of the country but the last thing we need up here is pure stock and/or crate motors.

P.S. If heads-up runs become no more then you'll never see me at another race. Then again, at 27 I guess I'm no longer considered a young guy.

Who is going to show up Ken? Are we going to make it " only class racers get into the show? How much money are you going to spend on a car that it doesn't matter what it runs or how it runs? What are the rules? Can I run nitrous durring eleminations? Ken, I was at your shop 20 years ago with Matt dropping off your SS engines for your Corvette, and your GT car. You always had fast a beautiful stuff. You are telling me you would be happy racing In a class with no performance? 30k for a cement mixer technology bracket car with a 10" cowl hood? What happend???

QUOTE=KEN BUGAJ;333225]Hi Todd,
You can stop all that with one new rule, No heads up runs other than in class run off's !
I know alot of guy's don't want to hear that, but new people don't want to spend 50 or 60 K
on a car to race,[/QUOTE]

[Robert Swartz]

To get participation in Stock or any class, you either need to make it appealing by either low costs or a venue that breeds excitement. Stock in it's current form does neither for todays youth as a general rule.

So, you either need more classes, which the NHRA purists say no, we already have too many as it is. Or, you need to kill the costs, remodel the class on the original stock of the 70's. I believe IHRA does have it right, just like the old days of the AHRA, they have a variety of classes that give you a lot of options. On the other hand, they aren't filling the lanes with new racers either.

I can rant about this because, it's really funny. I hear people talk about how terrible it would be for NHRA to allow crate motors. Those same people are running high end aftermarket blocks, aftermarket carbuerators, some are even running aftermarket heads of different variations. Then have the gall to tell us how crate motors tarnish the purity of the class. My point, the crate classes and pure stock are a less expensive way to get involved with the eliminator.

Maybe a "claimer" class would be an idea. The oval tracks do something on this order and it seems to be a successfull concept. Enough of my rambling.

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

Divison 1 is doing just fine in the "entry level" department. Last two races had 102 and 96 Stockers. Can't speak for the rest of the country but the last thing we need up here is pure stock and/or crate motors.

P.S. If heads-up runs become no more then you'll never see me at another race. Then again, at 27 I guess I'm no longer considered a young guy.

I cant agree more. I'm 40 and this is why I got into class racing. If they kill heads up, my stable of junk will become street cars. If you dont want heads up then bracket race. The major issue is that tech officials cant make calls and people keep whining for more enhancements.