Stock seat clarification please

[eddie c]

First off,this is an honest to goodness situation that I saw with my own eyes. A number of years ago I had a buddy in stock eliminator that
took some parts to a shop to have them chemically cleaned( if you know what I mean) anyway there was a set of completely de-upholestered
Camaro front seats there for chemically cleaning . Both seats were
sitting in front of me with a tag with the customers name on them.(Yes, he raced at the same track as I did) Now I dont know how much weight was removed from them,but they definately came back with less metal on them. Were the seats compromised as
far as safety,dont know,but how far does it go? If safe lightweight racing
are allowed hopefully no one will try and modify them even further.

[Pedigo Perf]

I think Trista Henderson should have to sit on 1969 Phone books in her Nova so she can see the tree.

[Jim Wahl]

This has gotten ridiculous real fast. All I would like is for NHRA to open up to allowing a racer to switch to a stock appearing racing safety seat *if* he (or she) wants to. I really don't see this as killing Stock Class racing! After seeing horrendous crashes of some Stock race cars and seeing many seat failures in street crashes as a career Paramedic, I know I would feel safer with a quality race seat. I would like the option that's all.

I also do not appreciate being called a Johnny come lately, no name stroke by you Bob. I probably have been racing Stock and Super Stock much longer than you and I am entitled to my opinion. Maybe you would rather race without a helmet or 5 point harness because they don't look stock? Jim


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[Bob Bender]

Originally Posted by mark yacavone

guys, i only changed the stock rules a little...

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[Bob Mulry]

Jim,

If you are not a Johnny come lately, no name stroke disregard that statement...

Just remember that rules changes stack up and what rule change do you think will be the end of Stock??????

In 2013 NHRA might just leave Section 10 out of the rule book....

I also raced my car in Stock Eliminator back in 1963 at West Hampton & Islip.....Moved to California in 1965

I would prefer not to get into a contest about who started first....

Let us make it be about NOT being who will be the last car to go down an NHRA drag strip in Stock Eliminator

[Mickey Whaley]

what is stock in stock?

[eddie c]

For those of us who remember,I believe back in 1971 NHRA drastically
changed the rules for stock eliminator. Basically all the stock eliminator
cars were mandated to go to superstock.Stock eliminator was now a
clean sheet of paper,with very few modifications allowed. No slicks or headers.Factory cam shafts only.It was pure stock with open exhausts.
Now I believe NHRA was fed up giving all the stock guys all their little
requests for so many years that the cars running stock were far ,far away
from anything resembling a stock vehicle. I remember asking the Div 1
tech director why the drastic change and he said there were so few
differences between stock and super stock that they felt it best to
combine the classes and make stock more like its namesake. I think
we need to look at this again. How many differences are there between
the stock and super stock classes! ed

[Greg Hill]

The rule book use to say stock appearing seats. It never said that seats had to be the right year for the car. When you have cars going 150 mph plus maybe racing seats should be an option. Oh I forgot those cars that run that fast have racing seats.

[Signman]

Maybe if the term "Racing Seat" was changed to "Sports Car Seat" or "Touring Car Seat" would be more acceptable. The stamped aluminum seats which require custom bent CM tubing frame welded and a thin cover are not stock appearing. Be careful what you wish for because the investment in the purchase, fabrication and installation can be substantial. The image of SS, Comp, PS legal seats will never be digested as in any way stock appearing.

Upholstered, padded sports car seats could be acceptable. Many production cars through the years have been supplied with Recaro and other well known aftermarket seat manufactures products for years. Don't know about bench seats but will say the the seat in my 2007 Silverado 2500 HD is much better than my old 73 K1500 Sierra Grande. So there may be units from late model cars that could be acceptable.
More than likely these seats will be heavier than your 40 year old stuff but it will be safer and bring opportunity to move some lead around.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Yak,

You are wasting your time talking to a bunch of Johnny come lately, no name strokes who want to mold Stock Eliminator into their vision.........

Valve springs, cams, rocker arms, transmissions, brakes, pistons, rods, pans, wheelie bars, fuel cells, trunk mounted batteries, any rear end, 2 steps, 3 steps, 4 steps (I lost count), aluminum heads, larger replacement carbs, clutch-less transmissions with slipper clutches and now seats (I know that I missed a lot of rule enhancements)..........

How about that dangerous window glass that should be replaced by Lexan or those dangerous hoods that should be replaced with fiberglass because they are only held in place by a 40 year old hood latch??????????????

When will you guys stop screwing up Stock???????????

You don't like the rules, take a hike and go to another eliminator and change that rather than ruining Stock.......

I am sick and tired of all of the self-serving, know nothing, no name strokes that showed up the day before yesterday ruining Stock.......

Seats is not changing stock into someone else's vision. It is a legit safety issue, and if you want to play dumb go right ahead. Guess what, you're going to see parachutes on stockers in just a few months here, because they are going in the 8's at 150+. That ought to make your head explode. Bob, stock has evolved alot since my dad set a national record back in 66, with his 65 corvette he drove every day. Some of the changes have been good, some have not. But racers continued to push the envelope, and things were legalized. Some out of safety, some out of necessity, some for no good reason at all. It sounds like by your method of thinking, you'd prefer us all to be driving cars with no roll bars, just a lap belt, and 7" cheater slicks. As much as a lot of wish certain things were different, we are where we are. And where we are is cars capable of running 8's, with very little weight in them, on 9" tires. The first time some checkbook racer who has no experience with such a car drops the anchor not to break out and ends up in his competitors door, its going to be a disaster. I pray we never find out how bad it could be. Changing seats is not a weight issue in my mind, its a safety issue. If people are so concerned about the weight, start weighing rear percentage stockers ( like they used to in SS). I just can't fathom the level of ignorance it takes to honestly WANT to make things more dangerous than they have to be, with no major changes to the cars.

PS your comment about the hoods is ridiculous, although I did see at hood latch fail on a 69 camaro at the Sportsnationals in Belle Rose. I hope the driver had a full face helmet, because there was glass everywhere.