What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

The same number as Dodge DP's that came from the factory with a rear end of any kind !

This is a safety change that made some sense because the IRS was not designed for drag racing. The 1/8" fiberglass floors in these cars do not offer any protection when one of these rears comes apart. Heard of one racer who had his elbow chewed off.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

This is a safety change that made some sense because the IRS was not designed for drag racing. The 1/8" fiberglass floors in these cars do not offer any protection when one of these rears comes apart. Heard of one racer who had his elbow chewed off.

This safety change is well know but he wanted to know how many Corvettes came from the factory with swing axles vs solid rears. At least the Corvette could run under its own power and thats more than can be said about the Dodge DP's that came with a trailer axle and I believe the transmission did not have any internal parts either. What a joke !

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

This safety change is well know but he wanted to know how many Corvettes came from the factory with swing axles vs solid rears. At least the Corvette could run under its own power and thats more than can be said about the Dodge DP's that came with a trailer axle and I believe the transmission did not have any internal parts either. What a joke !

The days of taking a showroom car and running Stock are long gone. Two things have happened. First, the Feds have added so many safety and fuel economy requirements to the new cars that there is a huge amount of stuff that can now be legally removed. Second, the racers have pushed hard for years to allow all these things to be removed.

I know that you love to hate these cars, but they do make sense. Both cars fit the current rules. Both pass tech (when properly prepared). All the factories prepared cars in the same manner back in the sixties too. You just weren't allowed to change as much back then.

The power plants are where the arguments should really be focused.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

The same number as Dodge DP's that came from the factory with a rear end of any kind !

I believe that is what he was pointing out! What's good for the goose.......

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

This safety change is well know but he wanted to know how many Corvettes came from the factory with swing axles vs solid rears. At least the Corvette could run under its own power and thats more than can be said about the Dodge DP's that came with a trailer axle and I believe the transmission did not have any internal parts either. What a joke !

Seems to me that he knew that as well. Maybe he didn't. But we agree.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I know that you love to hate these cars, but they do make sense. Both cars fit the current rules. Both pass tech (when properly prepared). All the factories prepared cars in the same manner back in the sixties too. You just weren't allowed to change as much back then.

The power plants are where the arguments should really be focused.

Are you serious? The power plants have been the focus of the arguments. It was dwydenorf that was bringing up the rear ends. The critics of these factory race cars have been focusing on the power plants.

Speaking of power plants, how many 5.7 Drag Paks have been produced by the factory? How many 5.9 Drag Paks have been produced by the factory? If there weren't at least 50 then they don't meet the rules. I think there were at least 50 of the 6.1 to weakly meet that part of the rules.

Either way, why is it so hard for anyone to understand that these cars should stay in stock, but in their own class? This is such a simple solution and isn't a loss for one single competitor. I take that back. It is a loss for the competitor that feels an unlevel playing field is their ticket to the next round. There is no other justification.

Don

[Ed Wright]

The bodus hp ratings of the power plants ARE the focus of the arguments.

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

This safety change is well know but he wanted to know how many Corvettes came from the factory with swing axles vs solid rears. At least the Corvette could run under its own power and thats more than can be said about the Dodge DP's that came with a trailer axle and I believe the transmission did not have any internal parts either. What a joke !

The transmissions are real and serviceable. And the rearend has the IRS assembly without the guts.

[Dgal]

Gump,

I will save you the trouble because I found what I was looking for. According to Jeff Teuton who I would trust knows about as much about these cars as anyone the production figures are.

6.1 90 units
5.7 7 units
5.9 3 units

Now tell me how the 5.7 and the 5.9 engine combos meet the NHRA rule book?

Reserved for 1960 or new model-year factory-production automobiles and some sports cars. Classified per NHRA performance rating as listed in the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Only those cars listed in the guide are eligible for competition. All cars in Stock classes must be factory-production assembled, showroom available, and in the hands of the general public. A minimum 500 units of a particular body style must be produced.

OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent.

Ok, there are a couple of glaring issues. One that jumps out is All cars in Stock classes must be factory-production assembled. The Drag Paks come partially assembled. The racer must complete the car.

The second paragraph trumps the "showroom available and in the hands of the general public." But the second paragraph also states that there must be a minimum of 50 units. Three 5.9 and seven 5.7 are a long ways from 50. You cannot combine them to get there.

These don't meet the NHRAs own rule book for Stock classification and the 6.1 doesn't since it is partially assembled. They are factory race cars that should be in their own class along with the Cobra Jets. Keep them in stock and I would be glad to dial against them.

Don

[Peter Ash]

First off:

This whole thread is filled by 10 negative people repeating their beliefs only!

Could they be called "Proffessional Whiners"

Secondly - You have to redefine "factory assembled". In todays world the factories are spread across continents, with many subassembly and contract assembly plants. Detroit is an assembly plant now , not a manufacturer's plant

Regarding the 5.7 and 5.9 Drag Paks, the guide you quote for the 50 car specialty run says "body style", Not "engine combination"

Read your own post's with your interpretations and you get what you want.

Have a nice day!