SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$

Darrin Christen · 02-20-2009, 08:21 PM

If starting from scratch on a new Super Stock car what would the cost difference be going 3 speed auto trans or stick shift. I'm looking for total cost comparison, all parts included to run a auto or stick. Thanks

Ed Carpenter · 02-20-2009, 10:19 PM

When I bought everything to run a stick it was around 5000.00 and that was with a used Jerico, new Ram clutch, Aluminum flywheel, and bellhousing. A new DR4-4 is over 4000.00 by itself. ED

Darrin Christen · 02-20-2009, 10:25 PM

Thanks for the reply Ed. From what I understand, a new 3 speed auto could be $5-$6k alone. Are the Jerico and G-force that are used in SS clutchless?

55 Chevy · 02-20-2009, 10:49 PM

I am thinking that initial costs would be about equal. The Jerico & the G-Force would both be clutchless. The stick stuff is so good these days that in my opinion the only way to go. You will not regret it.

Allan

Darrin Christen · 02-20-2009, 10:58 PM

Are there any disadvantages to a stick combo? How often does the clutch need to be adjusted or serviced? Are there any issues with hot lapping a stick car? Can the clutch be adjusted to change reaction times? Thanks for the replies

Ed Carpenter · 02-21-2009, 04:21 AM

Disadvantages if you like driving a stick none. Automatic guys will say parts breakage. If you have a good trans and the clutch is set up right you won't break alot of stuff. I have a Jerico at home in a box in alot of pieces as a reminder of what happens when things are not right. Servicing depends on how much racing you do. Adjustments(base/counterweight) are made for each track and the conditions that are present. Yes you can adjust air gap for reaction times. You won't have to worry about hot lapping at an national event. The ones i've been to you run at 8:00am sit for 6 hours and run again.

Darrin Christen · 02-21-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild

Disadvantages if you like driving a stick none. Automatic guys will say parts breakage. If you have a good trans and the clutch is set up right you won't break alot of stuff. I have a Jerico at home in a box in alot of pieces as a reminder of what happens when things are not right. Servicing depends on how much racing you do. Adjustments(base/counterweight) are made for each track and the conditions that are present. Yes you can adjust air gap for reaction times. You won't have to worry about hot lapping at an national event. The ones i've been to you run at 8:00am sit for 6 hours and run again.

6 hours between first and second round at NHRA D4 races is common, but in the late rounnds they rush you back to the lanes. How does heat effect the clutch and the performance of the car? Ed will you be running any of the NHRA Div. 4 races this year?

gmonde · 02-21-2009, 08:16 AM

the cost is about the same for both, but with the clutch technology today there is a lot more adjustabuilty that you can do with the clutch and breakeage is down to a min,there was a guy who raceed in pro eliminator who ran a liberty trans and he was silly consistant with this and finished second in points in 2007,automatics on the other hand can get very costly due to the numbers of converters that have to be tried to to get the best performance gmonde

james schaechter · 02-21-2009, 11:06 AM

The cost is about the same, but make sure you do some research on the correct transmission and clutch for your application. The Gforce and Jerico that you need has to be "clutch assisted". The sliders are different. One is legal, one is not. Also, there have been improvements in the designs of both transmission types so make sure you get the right version if you are buying used. If you are a newby, don't experiment. Buy a new jerico with a long vertigate and get an advance clutch from youngblood or at leaast a mcleod softloc. It will save you some pain. The autos have gotten way expensive and most do a lot of convertor testing and purchasing. the problem with some racers perception on the stick shifts is that it is hard to drive and breakage problems. That is not the case with the stuff that is out there now. You still need to scrutinize the drivetrain, but with a transbrake,you would have to do that anyway. I can tell you that it is a heck of a lot more fun than an automatic and going laps is not a big deal.

55 Chevy · 02-21-2009, 01:16 PM

Darrin

I made an error in an earlier post. The transmission must be clutch assisted to run in stock or super stock.

Sorry for the misinformation.

Allan

02-20-2009, 08:21 PM	#1
Darrin Christen Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Des Allemands, LA Posts: 365 Likes: 8 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ If starting from scratch on a new Super Stock car what would the cost difference be going 3 speed auto trans or stick shift. I'm looking for total cost comparison, all parts included to run a auto or stick. Thanks __________________ 4878 SS/GA 66CHEVY II

02-20-2009, 10:19 PM	#2
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ When I bought everything to run a stick it was around 5000.00 and that was with a used Jerico, new Ram clutch, Aluminum flywheel, and bellhousing. A new DR4-4 is over 4000.00 by itself. ED __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

02-20-2009, 10:25 PM	#3
Darrin Christen Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Des Allemands, LA Posts: 365 Likes: 8 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ Thanks for the reply Ed. From what I understand, a new 3 speed auto could be $5-$6k alone. Are the Jerico and G-force that are used in SS clutchless? __________________ 4878 SS/GA 66CHEVY II

02-20-2009, 10:49 PM	#4
55 Chevy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Calgary,Alberta area Posts: 229 Likes: 23 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ I am thinking that initial costs would be about equal. The Jerico & the G-Force would both be clutchless. The stick stuff is so good these days that in my opinion the only way to go. You will not regret it. Allan

02-20-2009, 10:58 PM	#5
Darrin Christen Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Des Allemands, LA Posts: 365 Likes: 8 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ Are there any disadvantages to a stick combo? How often does the clutch need to be adjusted or serviced? Are there any issues with hot lapping a stick car? Can the clutch be adjusted to change reaction times? Thanks for the replies __________________ 4878 SS/GA 66CHEVY II

02-21-2009, 04:21 AM	#6
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ Disadvantages if you like driving a stick none. Automatic guys will say parts breakage. If you have a good trans and the clutch is set up right you won't break alot of stuff. I have a Jerico at home in a box in alot of pieces as a reminder of what happens when things are not right. Servicing depends on how much racing you do. Adjustments(base/counterweight) are made for each track and the conditions that are present. Yes you can adjust air gap for reaction times. You won't have to worry about hot lapping at an national event. The ones i've been to you run at 8:00am sit for 6 hours and run again. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development Last edited by Ed Carpenter; 02-21-2009 at 04:24 AM.

02-21-2009, 08:16 AM	#8
gmonde Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 615 Likes: 56 Liked 165 Times in 59 Posts	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ the cost is about the same for both, but with the clutch technology today there is a lot more adjustabuilty that you can do with the clutch and breakeage is down to a min,there was a guy who raceed in pro eliminator who ran a liberty trans and he was silly consistant with this and finished second in points in 2007,automatics on the other hand can get very costly due to the numbers of converters that have to be tried to to get the best performance gmonde

02-21-2009, 11:06 AM	#9
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,992 Likes: 1,293 Liked 1,436 Times in 299 Posts	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ The cost is about the same, but make sure you do some research on the correct transmission and clutch for your application. The Gforce and Jerico that you need has to be "clutch assisted". The sliders are different. One is legal, one is not. Also, there have been improvements in the designs of both transmission types so make sure you get the right version if you are buying used. If you are a newby, don't experiment. Buy a new jerico with a long vertigate and get an advance clutch from youngblood or at leaast a mcleod softloc. It will save you some pain. The autos have gotten way expensive and most do a lot of convertor testing and purchasing. the problem with some racers perception on the stick shifts is that it is hard to drive and breakage problems. That is not the case with the stuff that is out there now. You still need to scrutinize the drivetrain, but with a transbrake,you would have to do that anyway. I can tell you that it is a heck of a lot more fun than an automatic and going laps is not a big deal. __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK Last edited by james schaechter; 02-21-2009 at 01:24 PM.

02-21-2009, 01:16 PM	#10
55 Chevy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Calgary,Alberta area Posts: 229 Likes: 23 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: SS 3 speed Auto or Stick $$$$$ Darrin I made an error in an earlier post. The transmission must be clutch assisted to run in stock or super stock. Sorry for the misinformation. Allan