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In 1969, the NHRA instituted a 5-year rule for Super/Stockers,
forcing the 63' Max-Wedge cars back into Stock Class. The NHRA also dropped the A/Stock class lower, (7.50 - 7.99 wt/hp). This allowed some of the 426 Street-hemi's to get back into A/Stock. In competition, the 63' 426/425HP Max-Wedge cars were, in most cases, able to out-run the Street-Hemi's, primarily in A/SA. 1969 NHRA Stock Classes. ![]() Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 10-15-2011 at 01:49 PM. |
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1969,,,,,,A/SA
1963 Plymouth Belvedere (Aluminum Nose) w/ Ram-Air Hood Scoop #3213 lbs. 426/425HP Stage II 7.56 weight-to-horsepower versus 1968 Hemi Road Runner (Hardtop) w/ Air Grabber Air Induction Package #3595 lbs. 426/425 Street-Hemi (NHRA HP Re-factored to 475HP) 7.55 weight-to-horsepower Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 10-15-2011 at 12:47 PM. |
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I find it interesting that the NHRA has never refactored the 415/425 hp ratings on the 63-64 Max Wedges in almost fifty years. I know they recently lowered the 62s. I'd love to run my big wagon in D/SA...
http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1318700576 Chris Barnes Wagons of Steel Stock 6621 |
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On a little engine comparison.
1963 426/425HP Max-Wedge 13.5 to 1 Pistons Cross-Ram Intake #3447 Carter 625 AFB's .509/.509 Solid-lift camshaft Stage II Heads vs. 1968 426/425HP Street-Hemi 10.25 to 1 Pistons In-Line Intake #4430 Carter 625 AVS's .477/.480 Solid-lift camshaft Cast-iron Heads |
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May 1969,,,,,,,,Dover Drag Strip, Wingdale, New York
Northeast Raider,,,,,,,,A/SA 1963 Plymouth Belvedere 426/425HP Stage II Max-Wedge (Aluminum-nose with Ram-Air) 11.90's @ 118 MPH. versus 1968 Dodge Coronet R/T,,,,,A/SA 426/425 HP Street-Hemi 12.40's @ 115 MPH May 1969 Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 12-10-2011 at 09:46 AM. |
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I wonder how many street hemi's got killed by the max-wedges or better yet how many street hemi's won against any max-wedge cars? Does anyone have anymore info or photos on this.
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Moose,
Back in 1969, most of the guys who had 68' or 69' Street Hemi's were relunctant to race them,,,,,,, More value in keeping them 'stock or in near stock condition'. Those who did race them,,,while still on the street,,,,, never really went full out with 'race preperation'..... Most just threw on a set of Hooker Headers, maybe 4.10 or 4.56 gears and a pair of 7" slicks. And were happy to run 12.60's. In 1969, most, if not all of the top A/SA cars were 63' or 64' Max-Wedge cars. If you had a good running 'Hemi', you were running in Super/Stock. pc |
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Steve, Thanks for the reply, sadly that makes sense. The good old max wedge I feel would have done well all through the post-1964 era but lived in the Hemi's shadow. I'm sure factory backing for the Max Wedge cars/drivers was pulled in favor of the Hemi as you said. Looking at Paul's race comparison above, I was reassured, I get about the same from my Gonkulator: 11.64 at 120.0 63 MaxWedge II 3220 lb 1964 prep, 1969 A/SA rules 12.16 at 115.7 69 Street Hemi 3677 lb 1969 A/SA rules The MaxWedge2 gonkulates to about 515hp vs the StreetHemi at 500hp. Close, but there's still the 400 lb weight difference. Fords 64 LWG HiRiser, which per the results/records dominated AA/SA=7.00 in 1964-66, Gonkulates to 12.12 at 115.9 1964 prep 11.75 at 119.5 1965-66 era prep UNFACTORED, the MaxWedge hangs right in there vs either the 1964-66 era 64 Ford LWG or the Street Hemi from 66-up in the same w/p=7.00 class. That's why I cant figure, why didn't Mopar back the MaxWedge as a competitor in AA/S, AA/SA ? I guessed it was Factored, but if not, I guess it was just "shunned" in favor of the Hemi. Oh well! |
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An old thread I know and not all of us are here any more.
Paul's threads had SO much good info. I'm (still) compiling old NHRA history and the idea that the MaxWedge was never refactored struck me. WHERE DID THEY GO???? In all the old records and results sheets, the 63-64 MaxWedge just seems to VANISH after mid-1964 when the Hemi came out. Unfactored, the MaxWedge would've landed in the new AA/S=7.00 class with the 64 Ford LWG 427 HiRiser. Instead, the MaxWedge just vanishes. It makes me think that NHRA either banned aluminum, or factored the MaxWedge at say 480hp back up into S/S against the Hemi, or something. What happened there???? Paul covered the re-start of the history in 1969 but why doesn't the MaxWedge show up in AA/S=7.00 or A/S=7.00 from late 1964 to early 1967? |
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They didn't vanish. If you're looking at records and results...remember, the Hemi and the lightweight Max Wedge's were both 426/425 hp...So they fell into the same class. A well tuned Hemi car should have been king over the MW cars in the same class anytime they ran.
Aluminum was banned for 1965 and later...but only on "new" production cars. 1964 and earlier cars are/were still legal with the aluminum body panels. |
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