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12-07-2011, 09:10 AM | #1 |
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Stock seat clarification please
I don't think I have ever seen this in a stocker---but very common in a super stocker---are "Kirkey" type lightweight racing seats legal in stock eliminator......any suggestions on a lighter seat ??? PLEASE NO DIET OR WEIGHT WATCHING SUGGESTIONS !!!!
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12-07-2011, 09:41 AM | #2 |
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
In Stock the seats must be same as year/model claimed. That's one of the things that some of us believe needs to be changed for the sake do safety. No way a 30 year old seat with no lateral support is as safe as a proper racing seat.
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12-07-2011, 10:04 AM | #3 |
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
There have been a good number of threads here on Class Racer about what's a legal seat in Stock eliminator. Right now, according to the rules, the only seat legal is the one that the vehicle came with, or an optional seat(s) available as an sport interior upgrade. Other than a possible weight advantage, an aftermarket seat would obviously be much safer, but so far the rules haven't been changed to better protect us! Be thankful the Camaro came with bucket seats and not a non-adjustable bench seat!
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
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UPHOLSTERY Must have full factory-type upholstery for year/model claimed, including factory-type floor mats or carpet, door panels and headliner, and front and rear seats. Interior gutting prohibited. Driver’s seat tracks may be bolted down. Sun visors optional. Rear seat may be removed when roll bar is installed; area must be carpeted or upholstered equivalent to factory specifications (no bare paneling). See General Regulations 6:2. so no and you should read this too. HOW TO USE THIS RULEBOOK The NHRA Rulebook provides guidelines and minimum standards for the construction and operation of vehicles used in NHRA Championship Drag Racing and at member-track events. It is the responsibility of the participant to be familiar with the contents of this Rulebook and to comply with its requirements. Do not leave it up to track officials to catch all potential rule compliance problems. That responsibility rests first and foremost with YOU — the participant. Additional safety equipment or safety-enhancing equipment is always permitted and the levels of safety equipment stated in this Rulebook are minimum prescribed levels for a particular type of competition and do not prohibit the individual racer from using additional safety equipment. Participants are encouraged to investigate the utility of additional safety devices for your type of competition. In disputed cases, whether an item of equipment is safety-enhancing or performance-enhancing will be determined by NHRA in NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion. On the other hand, as to performance equipment, it is the general rule that unless optional performance equipment or performance-related modification is specifically permitted by this Rulebook, it is prohibited. All model, engine, or equipment changes or modifications not specifically addressed in this Rulebook must be submitted in writing to NHRA for consideration prior to competition. 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Such a practice is in violation of the SFI, Snell, DOT, etc. program, voids such certification and therefore will not be accepted by NHRA. xv xvi NOTICE: It is the responsibility of the participant, not NHRA or any track, to ensure that all safety equipment is approved and is correctly installed, worn, maintained, and used. Unauthorized cars, parts, and/or equipment will not be considered approved by reason of having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times. Moreover, having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times, is not a defense to a violation found on further inspection. The Rulebook divides these guidelines and standards for the construction and operation of vehicles into two basic groups: Requirements & Specifications: The minimum standards that differentiate the various categories of competition vehicles. General Regulations: Guidelines that concentrate on specific areas of construction or operation of a vehicle. 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12-07-2011, 10:50 AM | #5 |
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
There you have it sports fans! The REAL reason for wanting aftermarket seats in Stock.
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12-07-2011, 11:19 AM | #6 |
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
BS, the REAL reason is safety....I've been around a fair number of road courses as well as driven some pretty fast door cars and dragsters....a racing seat provides a real sense of security. Granted, a secondary consideration is the fact you could theoretically move a bit more weight to the rear but if you can't hook a stocker without resorting to that then you've got other issues in play.
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12-07-2011, 11:35 AM | #7 |
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
Where does Super Stock get the green flag on kirkey type seats ???
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
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UPHOLSTERY Must have full factory-type upholstery, including factory-type floor mats or carpet, door panels, and headliner, and front and rear seats. Interior gutting prohibited. Driver’s seat tracks may be bolted down. Sun visors optional. Rear seat may be removed when roll bar or roll cage is installed; area must be carpeted or upholstered equivalent to factory specifications (no bare paneling). Full-size aftermarket front seats permitted; must be upholstered and supported. See General Regulations 6:2.
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12-07-2011, 12:06 PM | #9 |
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Re: Stock seat clarification please
Search for "stock seats" and threads like this one will pop up:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...ht=stock+seats |
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