HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ?

Jim Bailey · 01-16-2009, 08:07 PM

With current economic crunch hitting almost all of Racing, what's up with the Mopar Hemi Shootout? Has anyone heard anything? I make some of my scheduled racing plans around watching the Hemi's. Will there be Hemi Shootouts in 2009? Is Mopar in or out? Is there a series sponsor? Talk to me....It's cold .... I'm shaking, and I need a Hemi Fix!!!

Jeff Teuton · 01-16-2009, 08:11 PM

Good Question?

X-TECH MAN · 01-16-2009, 08:21 PM

To answer your question.................yes. "My GRAPE VINE" is better than yours.

Jim Bailey · 01-16-2009, 08:58 PM

Terry, I don't do grapes ....only Crown Royal in the Winter, Grey Goose in the Summer.(lol).

X-TECH MAN · 01-16-2009, 09:23 PM

Wish I could still drink,.....I miss the buzz but not the hangovers, From what I was told the Hemi shootouts will still be on the table for the coming season. I just wished NHRA would outlaw the short deck blocks and moved rockershaft assembys not to mention the titanium cranks. These things are more exotic than the early Pro Stockers were and they are supposed to be Super Stockers ! Oh yes.....those parts are there.

Jim Blankenship · 01-16-2009, 09:30 PM

more exotic than a early pro stocker ??? must be a 2002 pro stocker
i helped build a pro stocker in 1970 wouldn't be a good pro et car today
the new ss/ah car's are more tech than almost any class car today

jim

Bub Whitaker · 01-16-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

Terry, I don't do grapes ....only Crown Royal in the Winter, Grey Goose in the Summer.(lol).

seen u do crown in the fall 2 years in a row...

bill dedman · 01-17-2009, 01:33 AM

Tell me something; there never was a short deck 426 Hemi block (not that ~I~ ever heard of, anyway.) The Hemi heads for those engines (426s) won't just bolt onto a 383/400 short deck block for three reasons:
1.The top row of studs on the Hemi heads will run smack into the top of the block deck of a wedge motor. 2. There is no pushrod clearance for the exhaust pushrods; the OEM Hemi blocks have 8 "troughs" for those pushrods to lie down in, and
3. There is no way, short of attaching an external return line, to get the oil that accumulates on top of the head in the rocker arm area, back to the pan.

With all that in mind, where are these alleged short deck Hemi blocks coming from?

My good frriend Charlie Malyuke (R.I.P.) modified ten 383-400 blocks back in about 1980, in such a way that you could bolt the hemi heads on them. John Hagen used one to set the MPH record in Pro Stock, in fact, and was runner-up at the Pomona Finals in 1981. (It was the last year for lbs./cu. in. motors in Pro Stock, whatever year that was), losing by inches to Lee Shepard in the final. Wally Dyck, a Canadian racer, held the A/D record with one of those 383 Hemis for an extended period of time in the early '80s.

But, to get the Hemi heads onto that low-deck block involved machining "trenches" in the cylinder head deck area where it interfaces with the lifter valley, welding in bosses to accept the studs that are the top row of head attachments, and making room for the exhaust valve pushrods by digging eight "trenches" and filling them in with sheet metal (to seal off the water)... and then, there's that external drain hose to the pan...

Just a lot of stuff that would never get by tech in a S/S environment.

So, I'm wondering how this alleged Low Deck Hemi is accomplished....

Can anybody fill me in; I'm VERY curious...

Bill

X-TECH MAN · 01-17-2009, 08:56 AM

Nobody said these were "WEDGE" blocks being modified and used. no oil return line needed. I also said the rocker shafts LOCATION was different. Makes for more room for the exhaust push rods. Imagine how light a titainium crank could be made. Titanium crank+ titainium rods, and "approx" 1 inch shorter deck so shorter pistions could be used equals one light swinging assembly. I dont think a STEEL crank by itself would cost upwards of $5,500.00 +. Thats ALL Im going to say on this.

01-16-2009, 08:07 PM	#1
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 717 Likes: 17 Liked 630 Times in 121 Posts	HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? With current economic crunch hitting almost all of Racing, what's up with the Mopar Hemi Shootout? Has anyone heard anything? I make some of my scheduled racing plans around watching the Hemi's. Will there be Hemi Shootouts in 2009? Is Mopar in or out? Is there a series sponsor? Talk to me....It's cold .... I'm shaking, and I need a Hemi Fix!!!

01-16-2009, 08:11 PM	#2
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 326 Times in 50 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Good Question? __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

01-16-2009, 08:21 PM	#3
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,207 Likes: 1,049 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? To answer your question.................yes. "My GRAPE VINE" is better than yours. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 01-16-2009 at 09:16 PM.

01-16-2009, 08:58 PM	#4
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 717 Likes: 17 Liked 630 Times in 121 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Terry, I don't do grapes ....only Crown Royal in the Winter, Grey Goose in the Summer.(lol).

01-16-2009, 09:23 PM	#5
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,207 Likes: 1,049 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Wish I could still drink,.....I miss the buzz but not the hangovers, From what I was told the Hemi shootouts will still be on the table for the coming season. I just wished NHRA would outlaw the short deck blocks and moved rockershaft assembys not to mention the titanium cranks. These things are more exotic than the early Pro Stockers were and they are supposed to be Super Stockers ! Oh yes.....those parts are there.

01-16-2009, 09:30 PM	#6
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01-17-2009, 01:33 AM	#8
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Tell me something; there never was a short deck 426 Hemi block (not that ~I~ ever heard of, anyway.) The Hemi heads for those engines (426s) won't just bolt onto a 383/400 short deck block for three reasons: 1.The top row of studs on the Hemi heads will run smack into the top of the block deck of a wedge motor. 2. There is no pushrod clearance for the exhaust pushrods; the OEM Hemi blocks have 8 "troughs" for those pushrods to lie down in, and 3. There is no way, short of attaching an external return line, to get the oil that accumulates on top of the head in the rocker arm area, back to the pan. With all that in mind, where are these alleged short deck Hemi blocks coming from? My good frriend Charlie Malyuke (R.I.P.) modified ten 383-400 blocks back in about 1980, in such a way that you could bolt the hemi heads on them. John Hagen used one to set the MPH record in Pro Stock, in fact, and was runner-up at the Pomona Finals in 1981. (It was the last year for lbs./cu. in. motors in Pro Stock, whatever year that was), losing by inches to Lee Shepard in the final. Wally Dyck, a Canadian racer, held the A/D record with one of those 383 Hemis for an extended period of time in the early '80s. But, to get the Hemi heads onto that low-deck block involved machining "trenches" in the cylinder head deck area where it interfaces with the lifter valley, welding in bosses to accept the studs that are the top row of head attachments, and making room for the exhaust valve pushrods by digging eight "trenches" and filling them in with sheet metal (to seal off the water)... and then, there's that external drain hose to the pan... Just a lot of stuff that would never get by tech in a S/S environment. So, I'm wondering how this alleged Low Deck Hemi is accomplished.... Can anybody fill me in; I'm VERY curious... Bill __________________ Bill

01-17-2009, 08:56 AM	#9
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,207 Likes: 1,049 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Nobody said these were "WEDGE" blocks being modified and used. no oil return line needed. I also said the rocker shafts LOCATION was different. Makes for more room for the exhaust push rods. Imagine how light a titainium crank could be made. Titanium crank+ titainium rods, and "approx" 1 inch shorter deck so shorter pistions could be used equals one light swinging assembly. I dont think a STEEL crank by itself would cost upwards of $5,500.00 +. Thats ALL Im going to say on this.