Econo Modified

[randy wilson]

I have, but they never responded.

[Bob Lasko]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

I have, but they never responded.

That's normal for NHRA.
Bob Lasko

[randy wilson]

I really didn't expect them to Bob. I doubt they're waiting around to make decisions on what I think. By the way, if you don't mind telling. What heads do you run on your SS\CS motor. It runs very well.

[Bob Lasko]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

I really didn't expect them to Bob. I doubt they're waiting around to make decisions on what I think. By the way, if you don't mind telling. What heads do you run on your SS\CS motor. It runs very well.

Randy,
Head on my motor are the phase 2 vortec from gm. they are worked on by Dave jack in New Jersey. He has done wonders with the heads. Those head were on the 312 engine. I am putting the phase 1 vortec head on the 312 and using it for the 2nd engine.
I have a 317 engine that will get the phase 2 heads, with a new cam. The only problem that I have is the intake is for bow tie heads, need to have a new intake made, but the engine and head guys said that I would get more out of a cam change.
Being 61 years old, I am just in a maintance mode, no more going fast. Leave that to the younger guys.
By the way, it was not me that ask for the other 14 degree heads.

Bob Lasko
one of the original C/SM guys from the start

[Ed Wright]

Bob, you had a C/SM back in the day? I had a 292", 305", and a 317". 461X heads.
You still have that stuff? How cool!

[randy wilson]

No Bob, I never thought it was you who asked for the 14 degree heads. It wasn't me for damn sure. They'd listen to me about as much as they do on the spec thingy. I'm just glad you have the vortec bowtie stuff, because you've ran some killer numbers yourself. You have, if I'm not mistaken, ran some 40's, and maybe high 30's? I ran 461X's for a couple of years in SS\CS in 86, and 87. But only went out to NHRA twice, and ran a best .17 under, but we were 170 lbs. over wt. but that's the motor we had, so we ran it. With wt. out might have, I state "might" have ran .25 under.

[Dick Butler]

Question. If we were wanting to make this an easy class to get into, and reduce the entry cost, how about the heads planned with the short block being any SS base motor like the flat top 350s . Any comparable Ford Flat top or Chrysler? that would work? All the rest of the rules unchanged.... Kills the compression race but also has a BIG group of potential racers who could just buy heads and keep the SS trick stuff if they did not like how the Econo Mod deal went and wanted to return to the SS class they previously fit. I know Aluminum rods were mentioned and Cam relocation etc were questions but...

[Bob Lasko]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bob, you had a C/SM back in the day? I had a 292", 305", and a 317". 461X heads.
You still have that stuff? How cool!

Ed,
When I started to get serious about running in NHRA back in the mid to upper 70's, I ran in C/SM in Modified Eliminator. I started with a 67 Nova, a real L79 SS car. I put a 305 together with the turbo head at first with an m22 4-speed with a 12 bolt rear out of a Camaro. Then after breaking the Trans a number of times went to a hemi 4-speed that I got from Toni File. We ran on 10 inch tires with frame connectors. Ran with the likes of Charlie Daniels. Just before the split to super Stock I went to the 461 heads or vice a versa. Those were the days that we had a real lot of fun, 10,000 rpm. Then I got divorced and quit racing. Then in 1988 came back out with the Nova with the big tires, 3 years later the Camaro that I am still running.
I still have an old set of turbo heads and some old 4 speed stuff. every thing else has be thrown out or sold.

Bob Lasko

[Bob Lasko]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

No Bob, I never thought it was you who asked for the 14 degree heads. It wasn't me for damn sure. They'd listen to me about as much as they do on the spec thingy. I'm just glad you have the vortec bowtie stuff, because you've ran some killer numbers yourself. You have, if I'm not mistaken, ran some 40's, and maybe high 30's? I ran 461X's for a couple of years in SS\CS in 86, and 87. But only went out to NHRA twice, and ran a best .17 under, but we were 170 lbs. over wt. but that's the motor we had, so we ran it. With wt. out might have, I state "might" have ran .25 under.

Randy,
Did run in the 40's and did come close to the 30's but did not hit them. hopefully this year at Atco Open in April. Should put my engines in you Cobalt lol.

Bob LASKO

[randy wilson]

Ha! Thanks Bob. But I'm sure your F body is a little more sorted out then the cobalt. Our 92 camaro ran a best 6.21 in the 1\8th, and a best of 9.82 in the 1\4. The cobalt, with the same drivetrain went 6.16, and 9.76. Both were shifted using the clutch, but when we switched to the clutchless with the SS\DM motor, we only picked up .04. Camaro, 1.29 60 ft, cobalt 1.28 with the the phase 2 bowties, and a 1.26 with the dart buick. There is more left in the cobalt, but I'm almost 59, and Steve Thompson is 49, and we're both a little burned out. Every race they have close is in the dead of summer, and 300 degrees out, and it just ain't as fun as it was when we were 18. When we went to Cordova, it was like 96 degrees, and miserable.