Just a thought....

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Ok this is a "legality" question, for OPINIONS, not a definitive answer.

I would ask the NHRA but they may immediatley drug test me after the question and I dont want to waste their time (yet) until I have a "proof of concept" running, and NO this isnt for the DP car.

This one is as "left field" as it comes.

The rules say I cannot put anything into the air/intake charge but the fuel and air......simple. straightfoward.

Is there anything (now) that specifically would stop me from injecting something into the cylinder in the exhaust stroke ? with specificity at the very end of the exhaust stroke with a slightly modified overlap allowing a charge of "something" to be injected into the cylinder prior to the intake opening ?

I cant see how it wouldnt be legal, maybe there is precedent for something like this.

I am "serious" in that I would like to know, and very serious about the legality, it would be a pretty obvious system with the MCA injectors hanging off my exhaust headers and the whistle of kicking something supersonic into the cylinders well, that would be pretty audible.

But is it legal ? Or more accuratley would it be per the interpretation fo the rules, or is there something I am missing that specifically disallows it.

Since I cant put it in my intake air charge this is the only other way to get it in there.

Dont ask me what I want to put in there, just ..... something.......lets say....water.....yeah....magic water......

[Tom Goldman]

WTF are you smokin????

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Basic Filter 100's......but There was no answer as to legality though.

I can do it, physically no issue, if it will have the desired affect I wish is 50/50......depends on the thermal stoch of the material I wish to inject.

But is it legal ?

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman

WTF are you smokin????

[Dave Gantz]

While I appreciate how hard you're thinking about going fast, you touched on it yourself.
It's about how the rules are interpreted. Stock is STOCK (even though it ain't what it used to be, but I accept that), but come on, a lot of people have worked hard for a lot of years making Stockers what they are. Jeez, I shouldn't have even justified your post with a response. I gotta take a shower...

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Maybe misposted in category, it really didnt have to do with stock well not directly but there was a reason to post it here.

The rule in question is under "general" however it applies across all classes and all rulesets in the NHRA book, including stock (excluding electric vehicles of course)

The interpreation question was really not in regards to stock.

But no different from any other General Regulation that does apply to stock in that .... well, if it says no ? (insert something here) under a General Reg, and Stock rules say see General Regs....then......

I figured Stock would be a good litmus test of that rule, even though its under General.

IF and the big if, IF it were legal in a general sense, and hence in Stock, I have no doubts it would be elsewhere since Stock is as you pointed out really (and should be) a tighter interpreation of the rules.

Hence I posted it in Stock Tech......

See......you dont need to feel dirty, your point was understandable, and I hope my reason for posting it under Stock Tech now clear.

Originally Posted by Dave Gantz

While I appreciate how hard you're thinking about going fast, you touched on it yourself.
It's about how the rules are interpreted. Stock is STOCK (even though it ain't what it used to be, but I accept that), but come on, a lot of people have worked hard for a lot of years making Stockers what they are. Jeez, I shouldn't have even justified your post with a response. I gotta take a shower...

[Alan Warman]

At are local track they made up a turbo class and said no intercoolers. So being the smart *** that I am. I plumbed CO2 to the compressor side of the turbo. When we would shoot the CO2 in, it would drop the temperature witch would make the pressure drop and load the cylinder more. We could run about 10 more pounds of boost. It took them almost a year to catch on. Boy were they pissed.

[Ken Haase]

Yes, it would be legal. Please let us know how it worked.

[HQS]

Another thought...
If your mother(NHRA) told you not to ingest energy pills(power boosters), Would she be happy if you stuck them up your "other end"(euphemism for the correct word). I don't think so.
If NHRA doesn't like the way you interpret the rule book, they will change it. "Tricks are for kids". I learned that lesson the hard way.
HQS

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Good point I guess I subscribe to Smokeys philosiphy, if it aint in the rules as being disallowed its legal.

The rules say I cant mix anything with the air fuel charge, and I wouldnt be.

Ive got a few weeks home while I wait for pistons, Im going to modify the headers for a certain engine I have and get a pressure pump from my buddy who screws with turbines, should be fun low cost. And since I now have accumulated like 6 different sets of LA headers and motors over the years.....why not give it a try.

Itll give me something to do while Im waiting for engine parts. And while Im fixing my house up, and having fun with the kids, 3 weeks till Charlotte is a long time to get bored in...

It was a side effect question as well, its something I plan to try regardless, if it were NHRA legal to boot that would be icing on the cake.

Cheers


Chris

Originally Posted by HQS

Another thought...
If your mother(NHRA) told you not to ingest energy pills(power boosters), Would she be happy if you stuck them up your "other end"(euphemism for the correct word). I don't think so.
If NHRA doesn't like the way you interpret the rule book, they will change it. "Tricks are for kids". I learned that lesson the hard way.
HQS

[voltdr]

Sounds like the good old days when people would put nitro in the oil so the fumes would be ingested in the cylinder and helping with combustion. Does it matter how it got into the cylinder or does it just mater that it did get there to make it illegal?