Help with U/SA

Bill Bogues · 02-18-2010, 08:37 PM

I'm helping a friend build a stocker. It's a 82 monte carlo with a 267 small block with a auto trans. We're looking at running it as a U car, but I have no Idea how your supposed to run this combination.I have experience running our H/SA Nova , but this looks to me like like it's going to be a whole different animal. Do we need to gear the crap out of it and try to make our ET in the 1/8 mile and then have it's tongue hanging out the last half, or do you run it like a torque combination. It's got a small 2-barrel on it so I don't even know if it will even rev up enough to run any kind of steep gear in it anyway. We'd appreciate any advice anyone can give us, especially if you happen to be running this engine or combination.

greg fulk · 02-19-2010, 02:07 AM

Get a hold of Billy Nees! We talked about this combo YEARS ago so I don't remember what he said to do but off the top of my head I'd think a 5:13 30x9 2:75 low gear 350th & call Bullet for a cam would get you started in the right direction.

Billy Nees · 02-24-2010, 10:28 AM

It's about time somebody did one of them! I've had one of those sitting on an engine stand for years. I don't think that it's a great combo but I think that it can be decent. Don't over cam it and don't over gear it. It doesn't make a lot of compression so keep the cam duration on the small side to start out. It also doesn't have a lot of carb to work with so your peak RPM will probably be in the range of 6200 to 6400 RPM. It probably is going to want a really small header too. Probably even as small as 1-3/8 primary and less than a 2-1/2" collector. Might even try a 8 into 1 header if there's room underneath. At least 2.75 low gear trans.
When you're working on really restricted engines just remember one thing. It can't make horsepower because you can't spin it so try to make torque. Whatever you think that you need, that is probably too big. Not like an average race car.

Bobby Zlatkin · 02-24-2010, 10:55 AM

Although I've probably been doing this as long as Billy Nees, it's obvious to me that he knows more about it than I do. I feel that I just learned something. Or maybe it just reinforced things that I thought I knew.

Jim Wahl · 02-24-2010, 01:03 PM

I was pitted right across from Billy at G-ville and only talked to him a couple of times during the whole weekend. I wish I could have sat down with you Billy and chewed the fat for a while! Billy has forgotten more than the average guy knows! next time Billy, next time. Jim

P.S. I hope Don is feeling better! Get well soon Don! We love you! Jim

s10stocker · 02-24-2010, 01:29 PM

I would def. go with the Metric with 5.38s and the 92.5 ro 30x9 radials. You can run those tires over 40psi. Will put you around 6500-6600 from 100-102 through the traps. Keep it cheap as possible and see where it lands. Maybe better than you thought. I was curious on the carb though. Can it be a dual jet or is it the computer carb.

Billy Nees · 02-24-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by s10stocker

I would def. go with the Metric with 5.38s and the 92.5 ro 30x9 radials. You can run those tires over 40psi. Will put you around 6500-6600 from 100-102 through the traps. Keep it cheap as possible and see where it lands. Maybe better than you thought. I was curious on the carb though. Can it be a dual jet or is it the computer carb.

It's a U/SA car! You're looking at 91-92 mph in the lights.

Mark Yacavone · 02-24-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by s10stocker

I would def. go with the Metric with 5.38s and the 92.5 ro 30x9 radials. You can run those tires over 40psi. Will put you around 6500-6600 from 100-102 through the traps. Keep it cheap as possible and see where it lands. Maybe better than you thought. I was curious on the carb though. Can it be a dual jet or is it the computer carb.

It doesn't have to be a feedback carb. You just need a 1.21 venturi dual jet. Basically ,it's the front half of an 800 Q jet.
You guys DO know ,you're going to have to put a custom 12 bolt in that car, in order to be able to play with the gears?
I'd figure out a baseline on the ratio, and then ,when you go lower and don't pick up 60' but lose MPH, go back to where you were!
BTW, if you're not too deep into that car, I'd back right out of it ,and into a 78 Camaro 305 2 GC 2bbl car .
You could use the 8.5 rear that comes in them.

Bill Bogues · 02-24-2010, 08:25 PM

Thanks to everyone for replies on U/sa. Will probably ask for more help as we get further along with this thing.

Ed Fernandez · 02-24-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I was pitted right across from Billy at G-ville and only talked to him a couple of times during the whole weekend. I wish I could have sat down with you Billy and chewed the fat for a while! Billy has forgotten more than the average guy knows! next time Billy, next time. Jim

P.S. I hope Don is feeling better! Get well soon Don! We love you! Jim

Jim,catch him on a road trip when he's alone and go for the ride.Then just fly home afterward.
It is an adventure riding with him on a long run.So far I've survived two road trips.Half
the fun is him trying to keep the Geo at 50 MPG on the trip.

02-18-2010, 08:37 PM	#1
Bill Bogues Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bethany La. Posts: 323 Likes: 96 Liked 169 Times in 53 Posts	Help with U/SA I'm helping a friend build a stocker. It's a 82 monte carlo with a 267 small block with a auto trans. We're looking at running it as a U car, but I have no Idea how your supposed to run this combination.I have experience running our H/SA Nova , but this looks to me like like it's going to be a whole different animal. Do we need to gear the crap out of it and try to make our ET in the 1/8 mile and then have it's tongue hanging out the last half, or do you run it like a torque combination. It's got a small 2-barrel on it so I don't even know if it will even rev up enough to run any kind of steep gear in it anyway. We'd appreciate any advice anyone can give us, especially if you happen to be running this engine or combination.

02-19-2010, 02:07 AM	#2
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help with U/SA Get a hold of Billy Nees! We talked about this combo YEARS ago so I don't remember what he said to do but off the top of my head I'd think a 5:13 30x9 2:75 low gear 350th & call Bullet for a cam would get you started in the right direction. __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

02-24-2010, 10:28 AM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,493 Likes: 3,595 Liked 7,724 Times in 1,738 Posts	Re: Help with U/SA It's about time somebody did one of them! I've had one of those sitting on an engine stand for years. I don't think that it's a great combo but I think that it can be decent. Don't over cam it and don't over gear it. It doesn't make a lot of compression so keep the cam duration on the small side to start out. It also doesn't have a lot of carb to work with so your peak RPM will probably be in the range of 6200 to 6400 RPM. It probably is going to want a really small header too. Probably even as small as 1-3/8 primary and less than a 2-1/2" collector. Might even try a 8 into 1 header if there's room underneath. At least 2.75 low gear trans. When you're working on really restricted engines just remember one thing. It can't make horsepower because you can't spin it so try to make torque. Whatever you think that you need, that is probably too big. Not like an average race car. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

02-24-2010, 10:55 AM	#4
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help with U/SA Although I've probably been doing this as long as Billy Nees, it's obvious to me that he knows more about it than I do. I feel that I just learned something. Or maybe it just reinforced things that I thought I knew. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

02-24-2010, 01:03 PM	#5
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Help with U/SA I was pitted right across from Billy at G-ville and only talked to him a couple of times during the whole weekend. I wish I could have sat down with you Billy and chewed the fat for a while! Billy has forgotten more than the average guy knows! next time Billy, next time. Jim P.S. I hope Don is feeling better! Get well soon Don! We love you! Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

02-24-2010, 01:29 PM	#6
s10stocker Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Thibodaux, LA Posts: 55 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help with U/SA I would def. go with the Metric with 5.38s and the 92.5 ro 30x9 radials. You can run those tires over 40psi. Will put you around 6500-6600 from 100-102 through the traps. Keep it cheap as possible and see where it lands. Maybe better than you thought. I was curious on the carb though. Can it be a dual jet or is it the computer carb. __________________ George Roussel Jr. 4262 1996 S10 n-o-p/sa

02-24-2010, 08:25 PM	#9
Bill Bogues Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bethany La. Posts: 323 Likes: 96 Liked 169 Times in 53 Posts	Re: Help with U/SA Thanks to everyone for replies on U/sa. Will probably ask for more help as we get further along with this thing.