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I run a K/SA Olds with a 307 and Mertic200. How do you know when you need a low gear
set. Mine has a a 2.75 low gear in it now, but they make a 2.91low gear set for it. So how do you know. Thanks Alan
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Things to consider about low gear sets:
1. The lower first gear is, the wider the spread between the gears. Including second and third. 2. Wider spread between gears leads to a greater RPM drop, although that is somewhat mitigated by the stall speed of the converter. 3. Increasing the time you spend at your stall speed in a gear may not lead to greater torque multiplication, or more time at peak torque multiplication. 4. More time slipping the converter can hurt ET and MPH. 5. The lower the gear, the lower the wheel speed is at the shift. 6. Number 5 above can be made worse by the wider spread between gears. 7. All of the above can lead to very poor shift recovery. 8. All of the above can be very hard on engines without a lot of torque and HP. For a lot of combinations, you reach the point of diminishing returns around 2.75:1. It is a trade off. One way to tell would be to put more rear gear in the car, and see if it responds with better ET in the 1/8 mile. Then see if it hurts the back half of the 1/4 mile. A rear gear won't cost as much as a low gear set, and might be easier to sell if it does not work. For example, if you're at 5.14 now, try a 5.38. If that doesn't help you in at least the first 330', the low gear set probably won't either. Remember that when you increase the gear ratio, you're almost certain to have to shift sooner. You might try one of the ET prediction programs.
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Thanks for the info Alan. I was looking for ways to make ny car faster for next year.
Trying to get the biggest bang for the buck. Thanks Alan
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I hope that helps you find what is right for your combination. Hopefully, maybe someone with more experience with a combination like yours will step up and point you in the right direction.
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Alan I have 2.75 low gear in my car with 5.13 & 94" slicks....
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Another thing to be aware of is the way a lower gear causes your converter to work like it is tighter. It won't be the same converter when you go lower on gears. The same converter issues happen with rear gear, but not as bad as when you do a low gear tranny set. Some times the converter issues are a good thing and is what actually makes for the combination to be quicker. The lower gear may really help, but the change it causes in the converter may take away any gains. What I'm saying is: Monitor the way your converter works when you change gears. There is more to look at than just an ET Slip!!! That is why it is called getting the most out of your "Combination"
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When I had auto in my F/PS ran 8.30's 1/8 went from 2.45 (stock 350th 1st.?) to 2.75 low car ran the same,only differences I could measure was RT was quicker had to drop about 5-8 lbsfront tire. to hit the tree the same spot and right rear tire started getting roughed up,changed spring and fixed that.
I think converter was slightly tight before,see if this is correct? Car would run .20 faster in 1/8 off dead idle about 1000 rpm but could'nt find tree would be -.020/-.040 or +.120 could'nt hit between, bring up to 2000 rpm could hit tree good but slow down .20 in 1/8 then could get trans fluid up to 200-210 would pick up .07-.09 in 1/8 By leaving @ idle converter flashed a little more and when trans temp got 200-210 fluid thinned and raised flash also is that correct theory? Did it need a little more stall? Found I could run 4 speed in my combo so did'nt make anymore changes to converter and went to stick |
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I would say your conclusions about the converter were correct. It was telling you it was too tight. It was probably on the verge of too tight with the other trans ratio.
The gear ratio made nothing, but tree/lite problems. You fixed it with a variable stall controled by "The Left Leg" Now it is loose any time you want or need it!! :~) But now: how about that gear ratio??
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Adger,
Had to drive the same way w/stock gear set also,I figure my low gear set did'nt help cause converter was already a little tight and w/ low gear set was tighter and took away any gains the low gear set made.Converter guy said 8'' I had was as loose as could be made w/o becoming inefficient,so I replied so then I need 7''? he said no 7 won't work in your application,could'nt get a answer that made any sense from him,was going to change companies but went back to stick. You mean my stick gear ratio? if so 2.88 and wide open Ahhh so much more fun!!!! I know 2.88 is a little higher first than common,but have to use stock type trans in pure stock and barely over 6K my experience has been you can get too low in first w/lower rpm combo,seems to me to work better if you can clear 60' in low gear. I had 2 automatics,my 1st and last LOL Mike Taylor 3601 |
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Not to hijack the posts but with a stick with a 2.52 low 1.62 second 1.24 third 327/300 4.88 rear. Would it be better with a 2.70s low with 1.62 second or stay where it is only because of shift recovery ? The spread just seems to great to recover and keep up rpms. Also what about a 396?
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