ahfs question

sprnova · 12-30-2009, 02:08 PM

In this statement it says any run of 1.25 is automatic even at altitude tracks.

Runs of 1.250 or more under the index will be reviewed and adjusted Tuesday following the event. Runs at National Events, Divisional Events, and National Open Events, including those at altitude factored race tracks, are included in the 1.250-second-or-more-under analysis. This is done to better react to any out-of-line indexes or under-horsepowered combinations. Therefore, at all such events, a 3.25 percent horsepower adjustment or index reduction will be initiated Tuesday following the event. The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department

Does this mean 1.25 under the altitude index or 1.25 under the sea level index?

Jim Wahl · 12-30-2009, 03:08 PM

I have a sneaking suspicion they mean the altitude factored index. Guess we will not know until they clarify the rule or the first race it happens. Jim

art leong · 12-30-2009, 04:34 PM

I hope you are right Jim. But I woulkd still like to go to a density altitude format. To really make it equal.

Ty Webb · 12-30-2009, 05:05 PM

It should count for AHFS at alt. tracks based on alt. index. The factor is good enough for records, it should be good enough for HP. Competition Eliminator can get their indexes hit at altitude tracks based on alt. indexes, S/SS should also.

RPinoski1 · 12-30-2009, 08:03 PM

I agree 100%.
Besides everyone knows that a big block isn't affected nearly as much as the small block at altitude. Right?

Shawn S.Kvaas · 12-30-2009, 09:48 PM

Ty the comp cars don't get hit during qualifying.

Bob Mulry · 01-01-2010, 11:46 AM

It's sad that so many people know so little about the rules they race under.

JRyan · 01-01-2010, 06:17 PM

Ty,

Do you know that if you run 1.25 under the altitude factored index for the record, that you don't get the record at 1.25 under? It's LESS than that, and it varies dependant on which altitude track you set it at and the correction factors applied when it's factored back to sea level. So then it really isn't a 1.25 under run, and shouldn't be the cause of a HP factor. But we have no clarification on that either!!

The fact that NHRA personel previously had to do a bunch of paperwork to figure this out at altitude tracks is the reason they just let altitude factored runs go until now.

Jerry

Pvt Parts · 01-02-2010, 09:47 PM

Wait a minute. It seems that everyone is getting caught up in the emotional part of this discussion and speculation. The answer is right there in front of you. Strip away all of the B.S. and political nonsense and read the words.

The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department

End of story. Everything else is secondary and irrelevant. Plead your case but in the end it's their decision.

Mark Yacavone · 01-02-2010, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

Wait a minute. It seems that everyone is getting caught up in the emotional part of this discussion and speculation. The answer is right there in front of you. Strip away all of the B.S. and political nonsense and read the words.

The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department

End of story. Everything else is secondary and irrelevant. Plead your case but in the end it's their decision.

That sentence alludes to an either/ or situation, not some arbitrary decision.
No wonder you're still a Private. Get back in line, soldier

12-30-2009, 02:08 PM	#1
sprnova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ahfs question In this statement it says any run of 1.25 is automatic even at altitude tracks. Runs of 1.250 or more under the index will be reviewed and adjusted Tuesday following the event. Runs at National Events, Divisional Events, and National Open Events, including those at altitude factored race tracks, are included in the 1.250-second-or-more-under analysis. This is done to better react to any out-of-line indexes or under-horsepowered combinations. Therefore, at all such events, a 3.25 percent horsepower adjustment or index reduction will be initiated Tuesday following the event. The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department Does this mean 1.25 under the altitude index or 1.25 under the sea level index?

12-30-2009, 03:08 PM	#2
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,843 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: ahfs question I have a sneaking suspicion they mean the altitude factored index. Guess we will not know until they clarify the rule or the first race it happens. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 D2 National Open Stock Champion 1981 D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

12-30-2009, 04:34 PM	#3
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: ahfs question I hope you are right Jim. But I woulkd still like to go to a density altitude format. To really make it equal. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

12-30-2009, 05:05 PM	#4
Ty Webb Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WV Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: ahfs question It should count for AHFS at alt. tracks based on alt. index. The factor is good enough for records, it should be good enough for HP. Competition Eliminator can get their indexes hit at altitude tracks based on alt. indexes, S/SS should also.

12-30-2009, 08:03 PM	#5
RPinoski1 Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PLACERVILLE, CA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ahfs question I agree 100%. Besides everyone knows that a big block isn't affected nearly as much as the small block at altitude. Right?

12-30-2009, 09:48 PM	#6
Shawn S.Kvaas Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pitt Meadows, B.C. Posts: 47 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: ahfs question Ty the comp cars don't get hit during qualifying.

01-01-2010, 11:46 AM	#7
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: ahfs question It's sad that so many people know so little about the rules they race under. __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

01-01-2010, 06:17 PM	#8
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: ahfs question Ty, Do you know that if you run 1.25 under the altitude factored index for the record, that you don't get the record at 1.25 under? It's LESS than that, and it varies dependant on which altitude track you set it at and the correction factors applied when it's factored back to sea level. So then it really isn't a 1.25 under run, and shouldn't be the cause of a HP factor. But we have no clarification on that either!! The fact that NHRA personel previously had to do a bunch of paperwork to figure this out at altitude tracks is the reason they just let altitude factored runs go until now. Jerry

01-02-2010, 09:47 PM	#9
Pvt Parts Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Avon, Indiana Posts: 327 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: ahfs question Wait a minute. It seems that everyone is getting caught up in the emotional part of this discussion and speculation. The answer is right there in front of you. Strip away all of the B.S. and political nonsense and read the words. The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department End of story. Everything else is secondary and irrelevant. Plead your case but in the end it's their decision.