FS/SM class in Comp vs FSS cars?

Mike Schwartz · 09-18-2023, 09:30 PM

On thing that I noticed at Maple Grove was that of the three FS/SM cars entered in Comp, all were slower than the cars entered in Factory Stock Showdown. Is there any particular reason why the Shootout cars are so much quicker? I had thought that the rules packages would be similar.

COMP
3 1737 FS/SM Don Belles, Collegeville PA, '22 Camaro 7.831
8 3662 FS/SM Scott Libersher, Wilmington Il, '23 Camaro 7.897
13 1375 FS/SM Michael Letellier, New York NY, '17 Camaro 8.008

FSS
1 326 Del Holbrook, Redford MI, '18 Mustang 7.642 181.20
2 5 Mark Pawuk, Akron OH, '21 Challenger 7.667 181.67
3 B346 Lee Hartman, Boardman OH, '21 Challenger 7.668 179.23
4 7 David Janac, Caldwell TX, '19 Mustang 7.670 179.88 179.88
5 9 Anthony Troyer, Alva FL, '18 Camaro 7.687 178.66 178.99
6 3 Aaron Stanfield, Bossier City LA, '23 Camaro 7.692 178.83
7 4 Lenny Lottig, Meyersdale PA, '22 Camaro 7.693 179.90
8 313 Jesse Alexandra, West Bend WI, '23 Camaro 7.694 176.17
9 3397 David Davies II, Kirtland OH, '21 Challenger 7.696 180.67
10 439 Stephen Bell, Shreveport LA, '18 Camaro 7.703 178.78
11 3662 Scott Libersher, Wilmington IL, '16 Camaro 7.711 176.49
12 212 Ricky Hord, Kissimmee FL, '18 Camaro 7.719 179.56
13 107 Doug Hamp, York PA, '20 Camaro 7.724 175.71 175.71
14 3805 Kevin Skinner, Grove City OH, '19 Mustang 7.729 177.98
15 1 David Barton, Sinking Springs PA, '22 Camaro 7.755 176.67
16 1677 Carl Tasca, N Kingston RI, '16 Mustang 8.206 169.30

onefarmer · 09-19-2023, 08:21 AM

Having the rules the same for both classes would be a good idea, but NHRA thinks it is better to make them different. COPO has 50 lbs more weight in comp than FSS and I am not sure about the pully since we dont run comp any more as it gives us no good test data. Some of the cars at this race were in more stock trim or had their B motors in for comp. Plus with the comp index for FS/SM where it is at now they really dont want to go much faster as then a showdown car would be the only thing competitive in comp. A more stock trim car would not be able to run the number if they went 7.6 or 7.7 all the time. The track prep for comp is not always the best for a 9" radial to put up the good numbers also, so running them a little soft is easier. Just my 2 cents.

09-18-2023, 09:30 PM	#1
Mike Schwartz Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland USA Posts: 497 Likes: 99 Liked 192 Times in 65 Posts	FS/SM class in Comp vs FSS cars? On thing that I noticed at Maple Grove was that of the three FS/SM cars entered in Comp, all were slower than the cars entered in Factory Stock Showdown. Is there any particular reason why the Shootout cars are so much quicker? I had thought that the rules packages would be similar. COMP 3 1737 FS/SM Don Belles, Collegeville PA, '22 Camaro 7.831 8 3662 FS/SM Scott Libersher, Wilmington Il, '23 Camaro 7.897 13 1375 FS/SM Michael Letellier, New York NY, '17 Camaro 8.008 FSS 1 326 Del Holbrook, Redford MI, '18 Mustang 7.642 181.20 2 5 Mark Pawuk, Akron OH, '21 Challenger 7.667 181.67 3 B346 Lee Hartman, Boardman OH, '21 Challenger 7.668 179.23 4 7 David Janac, Caldwell TX, '19 Mustang 7.670 179.88 179.88 5 9 Anthony Troyer, Alva FL, '18 Camaro 7.687 178.66 178.99 6 3 Aaron Stanfield, Bossier City LA, '23 Camaro 7.692 178.83 7 4 Lenny Lottig, Meyersdale PA, '22 Camaro 7.693 179.90 8 313 Jesse Alexandra, West Bend WI, '23 Camaro 7.694 176.17 9 3397 David Davies II, Kirtland OH, '21 Challenger 7.696 180.67 10 439 Stephen Bell, Shreveport LA, '18 Camaro 7.703 178.78 11 3662 Scott Libersher, Wilmington IL, '16 Camaro 7.711 176.49 12 212 Ricky Hord, Kissimmee FL, '18 Camaro 7.719 179.56 13 107 Doug Hamp, York PA, '20 Camaro 7.724 175.71 175.71 14 3805 Kevin Skinner, Grove City OH, '19 Mustang 7.729 177.98 15 1 David Barton, Sinking Springs PA, '22 Camaro 7.755 176.67 16 1677 Carl Tasca, N Kingston RI, '16 Mustang 8.206 169.30

09-19-2023, 08:21 AM	#2
onefarmer Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: PA Posts: 32 Likes: 89 Liked 73 Times in 23 Posts	Re: FS/SM class in Comp vs FSS cars? Having the rules the same for both classes would be a good idea, but NHRA thinks it is better to make them different. COPO has 50 lbs more weight in comp than FSS and I am not sure about the pully since we dont run comp any more as it gives us no good test data. Some of the cars at this race were in more stock trim or had their B motors in for comp. Plus with the comp index for FS/SM where it is at now they really dont want to go much faster as then a showdown car would be the only thing competitive in comp. A more stock trim car would not be able to run the number if they went 7.6 or 7.7 all the time. The track prep for comp is not always the best for a 9" radial to put up the good numbers also, so running them a little soft is easier. Just my 2 cents. __________________ FX L177, FSS 3 STK L177 Lenny Lottig