ET with and without wheelie.

[Adger Smith]

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Way to go Ed...
You may fool some of the racers with your malarkey some of the time, but not all of the time.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

what you lose or gain in 60 foot directly effects the ET!

That said, I invite you to come to Numidia next season on a bracket day and I'll show what the change in 60 foot does to the ET. I'll launch wheels up, breaking the 60 foot with the back tires and the next pass I'll tighten the front shocks up all the way launching with the front wheels just off the track. My car doesn't need to wheelie to dead hook, it will hook in a puddle!

Here you have said how the height and length of a wheelie effects your car.

Originally Posted by 1320racer

it was, it's not now and that has nothing to do with this conversation which is about...

"ET with and without wheelie

SLR is internet forum malarkey like dynamic compression ratio

Exactly! So just how does no wheelie effect your car?


Stan


PS Just how far off the track do the front wheels need to be for it to be a wheelie? LOL

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Here you have said how the height and length of a wheelie effects your car.

Stan, you first, tell us how the height and length of a wheelie effects YOUR car.

So just how does no wheelie effect your car?

Already stated in this thread

[Monte Howard]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

it was, it's not now and that has nothing to do with this conversation which is about...

"ET with and without wheelie

SLR is internet forum malarkey like dynamic compression ratio

Just what I thought you would say, you are comparing apples and oranges, and it does have alot to do with this conversation.

[1320racer]

has NOTHING to do with this discussion

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

GUMP...knows!

There is a difference between what I would call a huge and a long wheelie.

We have our bracket mode which is something similar to what I witnessed in the video that you posted.

Then, we have KILL and MINESHAFT conditions which can throw a curve ball in to the mix. On our fastest runs, we often do a long wheelie that trips the 60' with the back tires. It does not slow us down. The curve ball is when we go into that monster wheelstand. This is when the car stands straight up and I get both shifts in the air. It slows the car tenths.....

[GUMP]

I will add that when we ran Top Stock years ago, we figured out that every bounce would kill about .01 of ET to the 1/8th.

[Ellis V Buth]

All things equal, a slower 60' will result in a slower ET. Key phrase "all things equal." This means same part of car is tripping the beams...same wind conditions...same tires...same air...etc.

As soon as you trip the beams with something other than what tripped it on the previous pass, that "all things equal" idea goes out the window. With what Ed is saying in his posts above, if you slow down from a 1.280 to a 1.340 in the 60' then you're inherently going to run .06 slower in the 1/4 mile. "What you lose in 60' you lose downtrack" but that is completely irrelevant if the car isn't tripping those beams with the same piece of the car every time.

One track I race at around here will pickup something in front of my tires at the 60' cone in the right lane, but picks up the tires in the left lane. Happens EVERY PASS. But, the ET comes up 7.750 in the left and 7.752 in the right. My 60' will vary by over .04 but my et varies .002 lane to lane. Something there doesn't add up with Ed's theory.

Ed, I may not always like your approach to a topic but I rarely out and out disagree with what you're saying...but on this topic you're leaving out a key component and trying to lead people down the wrong path.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

what you lose or gain in 60 foot directly effects the ET!

That said, I invite you to come to Numidia next season on a bracket day and I'll show what the change in 60 foot does to the ET. I'll launch wheels up, breaking the 60 foot with the back tires and the next pass I'll tighten the front shocks up all the way launching with the front wheels just off the track. My car doesn't need to wheelie to dead hook, it will hook in a puddle!

Daren, that's a very good explanation.

Ed, again you're talking about YOUR car. It's not a bracket car and it's not a SS car and what YOU are doing to YOUR car works for YOU.
In a Stocker (not necessarily a SS car) with a Powerglide you can get "60' crazy". If you shift the car too high and the converter locks up OR you have too much low gear in the trans and you don't have enough wheel speed yet, it can "stagger" the car. Make it hesitate on the shift. A lot (not all) Racers with PGs try and shift the car low enough to "flash" the converter again. Especially in bad air.
In a Stocker with a PG, 60' times are irrelevant.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

All things equal, a slower 60' will result in a slower ET.
Ed, I may not always like your approach to a topic but I rarely out and out disagree with what you're saying...but on this topic you're leaving out a key component and trying to lead people down the wrong path.

I agree with much of the facts you stated as you have agreed with much of the facts I have stated BUT were you go off the rails is with your opinion that I am trying to lead people down the wrong path. I am not!