Rim Screw Question

rt1976 · 07-22-2024, 10:37 PM

Hello

Would like to get some advice on if wheel screws are needed in my application. I?m finishing up a nostalgia drag car and purchased a pair of Bogart Steelie Dan aluminum wheels for the back. I?d prefer not to install screws but want to make sure the car is safe with a stick shift launch.

Race weight is 3,000#
G101a 3.08 1st gear
4.88 rear
Anticipate 1.25 60ft
M/T 29.5x 9 (3056ST) tire

Wondering if sandblasting the bead (they need to be powder coated) , and/or high tack is enough, or if I need to suck it up and drill the wheels.

Run to Rund · 07-23-2024, 05:08 PM

I have been OK with sandblasting the bead area of steel wheels, and no lube on the tire beads when installing them. I run 4.57 rear, 3.08 Jerico, 1.5 60' for comparison. Car is a few hundred pounds heavier than yours.

Dave Siltman · Yesterday, 11:37 AM

We glue ours to vintage NOS Cragar SS with Permatex Hi-Tack. Messy job but the results are worth it. 1969 W-31, 3700 pounds, 3.08 Jerico, 4.88s. Been plenty of 1.53-.1.55 60’. Same tire 3056ST.

Jeff Stout · Yesterday, 03:51 PM

Glued ours on for demo derby car. Steel and aluminum rims.

Rory McNeil · Today, 10:06 AM

Will you be running tubeless, or using tubes in the slicks? How high will you be launching, RPMwise? On my bracket car, I am running slick screws, best of 1.29 60 foot, with 2 step low side at 62-6600 RPM. Have ran both Jerico DR4s (3.19 low), and currently a G101A (also 3.19 low), now running a RAM Billet 10"/Black Magic Defiant clutch, but also used McLeod Soft Loks for many years. I am currently using tubes, but mostly ran without tubes until last season. With tubes, I would absolutely run the screws, if the tire moves on the rim enough, it can rip the valve stem off the tube, which is NOT a good thing. On my old 85 Mustang, I ran the 9x29 1/2 3056ST M/T slicks, and did not use tubes, or screws, but that car only went a best of 1.36 60 foots, and mid to low 10s in the 1/4 mile. If you are expecting 1.25 60 foots, that should be well into the mid 9s, I would imagine, if it was me, I would be screwing the tires to the wheels. Huge difference in a mid 1.2 60 foot compared to mid 1.5s.

07-22-2024, 10:37 PM	#1
rt1976 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 2 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rim Screw Question Hello Would like to get some advice on if wheel screws are needed in my application. I?m finishing up a nostalgia drag car and purchased a pair of Bogart Steelie Dan aluminum wheels for the back. I?d prefer not to install screws but want to make sure the car is safe with a stick shift launch. Race weight is 3,000# G101a 3.08 1st gear 4.88 rear Anticipate 1.25 60ft M/T 29.5x 9 (3056ST) tire Wondering if sandblasting the bead (they need to be powder coated) , and/or high tack is enough, or if I need to suck it up and drill the wheels. Last edited by rt1976; 07-23-2024 at 06:53 AM.

07-23-2024, 05:08 PM	#2
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 575 Likes: 6 Liked 45 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Rim Screw Question I have been OK with sandblasting the bead area of steel wheels, and no lube on the tire beads when installing them. I run 4.57 rear, 3.08 Jerico, 1.5 60' for comparison. Car is a few hundred pounds heavier than yours.

Yesterday, 11:37 AM	#3
Dave Siltman Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 70 Likes: 216 Liked 66 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Rim Screw Question We glue ours to vintage NOS Cragar SS with Permatex Hi-Tack. Messy job but the results are worth it. 1969 W-31, 3700 pounds, 3.08 Jerico, 4.88s. Been plenty of 1.53-.1.55 60’. Same tire 3056ST.

Yesterday, 03:51 PM	#4
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,445 Likes: 56 Liked 687 Times in 272 Posts	Re: Rim Screw Question Glued ours on for demo derby car. Steel and aluminum rims.

Today, 10:06 AM	#5
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,261 Likes: 248 Liked 952 Times in 263 Posts	Re: Rim Screw Question Will you be running tubeless, or using tubes in the slicks? How high will you be launching, RPMwise? On my bracket car, I am running slick screws, best of 1.29 60 foot, with 2 step low side at 62-6600 RPM. Have ran both Jerico DR4s (3.19 low), and currently a G101A (also 3.19 low), now running a RAM Billet 10"/Black Magic Defiant clutch, but also used McLeod Soft Loks for many years. I am currently using tubes, but mostly ran without tubes until last season. With tubes, I would absolutely run the screws, if the tire moves on the rim enough, it can rip the valve stem off the tube, which is NOT a good thing. On my old 85 Mustang, I ran the 9x29 1/2 3056ST M/T slicks, and did not use tubes, or screws, but that car only went a best of 1.36 60 foots, and mid to low 10s in the 1/4 mile. If you are expecting 1.25 60 foots, that should be well into the mid 9s, I would imagine, if it was me, I would be screwing the tires to the wheels. Huge difference in a mid 1.2 60 foot compared to mid 1.5s. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang