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Originally Posted by Steve Stasko
There is no scoop to explain before March of 1967. Sox had two cars at the start of '67...the flat hood Hemi Belvedere (383 car originally), and the twin scooped 440 GTX (white interior). The third car was the R023 which came later (May). There are plenty of early 1967 photos showing the first two cars with their old white hauler before they got the new R/W/B hauler later that year. Also, if you look at early photos of the white interior car...it did not have the Belvedere trim on it, that was added later.
The 383 car was kept through '68. After the R0 scoop came available, it was converted. They put a rectangular Hemi badge on the front edge of the fender where the Belvedere nameplate normally was. The R0 car always had both name plates on it (Belvedere & Hemi). This is all documentable by publicly available photos. The photos I attached are the converted 383 car.
Jim Skarbek wanted to buy Ronnie's '67 car, but Ronnie was contractually obligated by Chrysler to continue running it into 1968. Sox & Martin prepared Skarbek a B029 car instead. Sam Carroll bought the 440 car.
Charbonneau ran his '66 from the year before, he got a '67 Fairlane not long after. Grotheer also ran his '66. Grotheer never had an R0 car...his '67 car was built from a 6-cylinder car using the driveline from the '66 car he had.
The '68 explanation is the whole topic of this post. Chrysler submitted bogus paperwork and NHRA allowed the scooped hood on the '67 cars. If you ran in Belvedere or Coronet 440 trim, you ran C. If you ran as a GTX or Coronet R/T...you ran D. NHRA put a stop to this, and that's why Sox put the twin scooped hood on his car for Englishtown. Geoff Stunkard covered that years ago in one of his articles in the collector's guide.
The info is out there man, you've got to want it, and you're not going to find the answers in anything written by Larry Davis or Jim Schild.
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OK, All of that makes a lot of sense..and it brings on one more question....caused by the bogus paperwork issue.....
Lets deal with the RO23 -
It ran SS/B for most of 67.
It ran SS/D at 68 Winters - dd it run at all at the 68 Nats?
And what class did tje RO23s run in 69, SS/D or SS/E...I have results lists showing both....hence my confusion.
BTW, I’m an Aussie..we don’t get the old cool magazines you guys got - So when compiling my web site I had to rely on ‘the books’, a few mags I bought on Ebay...and asking lots of dumb questions of people like you.
Ive also got to know quite a few old school racers...Ed Miller, JG Elliot, Tom Myl....but memories fail.
Thank you for the pics...your explanation has parted the clouds��