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NO--absolutely clear--I thought that was the way it went just wanted to make sure that what I was reading/thinking was correct---Thanx for the explanation--Hope to meet you at the races sometime----As far as running a "stocker" what" little tricks??" do I need to be doing suspension wise,gearing,tire headers etc. to get the most benefits---There has to be things that most cars that are quick have been doing right??? I'm kinda looking at things that will get me in the "ball park" et wise without wasting a ton of $$ and 6 months of my life trying to figure it out to be competitive??? Make sense---I think a good car should be able to run 6-8 tenths right out of the box and then you can sneak up on it to get to being a top half qualifier--Attention to detail I think is of paramount importance but selecting the right equipment within the rules is utmost too---Any comments --- And thanx for your reply too----Dick