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Billy Nees 04-16-2018 04:55 PM

Hooray!
 
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...687&zoneid=132

now fix the 273s!

MR DERBY CITY 04-16-2018 05:05 PM

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OK, next up oil pans......Per the NHRA rulebook, equipment that is not factory installed is Prohibited .....

Greg Hill 04-16-2018 05:24 PM

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David Lee 04-16-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560797)

the 273 manifolds have factory part numbers

Billy Nees 04-16-2018 06:11 PM

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So do some of the 340s AND Edelbrock 383s AND 440s.
Bottom line, they were sold as Mopar Hustle Stuff.

Ed Fernandez 04-16-2018 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560810)
So do some of the 340s AND Edelbrock 383s AND 440s.
Bottom line, they were sold as Mopar Hustle Stuff.

https://youtu.be/wj23_nDFSfE

X-TECH MAN 04-16-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560797)

LOL...........The price has suddenly dropped to the bottom of the barrel for these manifolds. How did NHRA allow this in the first place? Some one have a friend in NHRA or $$$$$$$$$$$ change hands ?

Chuck Beach 04-16-2018 07:44 PM

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Now back to the original 2 speed power glides in those chebbies.

Rat Raceway 04-16-2018 09:15 PM

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Might as well smash the hell out of the combo now!!! Or will NHRA hold the original combo parts to the same numbers?

Far from a Mopar guy but I would be so mad if they yanked the plug on parts I dumped money on!:eek:

Just seems so wrong to tell Racer’s “it’s good” then pull the rug out from under your feet! WOW!

rick winchester 04-16-2018 10:07 PM

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Chuck, along with the 3spd. allowed in the Drag Packs. lol Rick.

Race Clean 04-17-2018 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560797)

And then the 283/327 deal, continue with the FE's,alot of finds there and then all no needed improved parts for GM's and so on.

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Race Clean (Post 560872)
And then the 283/327 deal, continue with the FE's,alot of finds there and then all no needed improved parts for GM's and so on.

I hope NHRA DOES keep up the cleaning up! I won't have to change a thing!

duster1256 04-17-2018 11:59 AM

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I just spent a ton of money to rebuild a 340 stocker with the LD340 intake to be somewhat competitive and to get a car back out to support NHRA class racing and this is the thanks we get in return. Thank you.

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 12:20 PM

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Send your "Thanks" to the folks at the NHRA Tech Dept.!!

MR DERBY CITY 04-17-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by duster1256 (Post 560899)
I just spent a ton of money to rebuild a 340 stocker with the LD340 intake to be somewhat competitive and to get a car back out to support NHRA class racing and this is the thanks we get in return. Thank you.

If it makes you feel any better, according to a couple of Good Friends that race 340’s “ the LD 340 intake is NO better than the one I took off “.......

GTS340 04-17-2018 01:51 PM

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Hooray for some I guess. Might as well spread the joy. Original transmissions, original rearends, Roller rockers, Bee hive springs, 375/396 pistons. I'm sure the list could grow like wild fire.
I'm alright with the intake and it actual effected me personally. But try and remember that money was wasted here. As my Dad always told me. "If you have nothing good to say. Keep it to yourself."

Paul Haszlauer
?/SA 7019

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS340 (Post 560910)
But try and remember that money was wasted here.

Paul Haszlauer
?/SA 7019

How about all of the money that would have to be spent by all of the other Racers not running a 340 to keep up? NHRA made a mistake. They don't like admitting to their mistakes at the time that they are made. Thank them and send them the bill.

jmantle 04-17-2018 03:00 PM

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The Edelbrock RB4 AMC manifold also came with an AMC part number and it was also approved and later removed. As per the Mopar manifold, it was sold as an over the counter part.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

GTS340 04-17-2018 03:27 PM

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Again It did effect me. So I guess I paid my share. Do I win a prize? Haven't seen many things get taken away like this. I guess Chrysler didn't have the check this box for Aluminum intake. I'll get over it. The folks that Billy said spent the money to keep up must be faster now and get to stay faster anyway. good for them. Sorry you spent money.

dartman 04-17-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 560827)
Now back to the original 2 speed power glides in those chebbies.

x20

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 560827)
Now back to the original 2 speed power glides in those chebbies.

I'm OK with that. Let's ALSO get 727s back in all of those early BB and 340 cars. And I'm not talkin' about "pro-flites".

Hey, I'm OK with going back to the "valve spring" rule or at least a 150# seat rule.
That'll will fix things in a REAL hurry!

Paul Wong 04-17-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560926)
I'm OK with that. Let's ALSO get 727s back in all of those early BB and 340 cars. And I'm not talkin' about "pro-flites".

Hey, I'm OK with going back to the "valve spring" rule or at least a 150# seat rule.
That'll will fix things in a REAL hurry!

This battle can go on and on.

Better strip all the Metric 200s C-4s, solid rear axles in corvettes, aftermarket heads for everyone and all the other super ceded intake manifolds (which there are plenty besides the mopars).

Valve springs too while you are at it cant agree more.

Race Clean 04-17-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560926)
I'm OK with that. Let's ALSO get 727s back in all of those early BB and 340 cars.!

Absolutley,All makes transmission back to orignial what came with the car,then this ridiculous new trans shield rule would actually start to make sense.
I never seen a Pro Trans,Rossler etc expire in such way!

p.s. by the way, does anyone have the full story why the 390 Ford ended up like it did,NHRA's first crate engine!

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Race Clean (Post 560931)
p.s. by the way, does anyone have the full story why the 390 Ford ended up like it did,NHRA's first crate engine!

Somebody on here will probably know the story better that I do and correct it but the way I understand it, in 67 Mercury Comet convertibles were the Indy Pace Cars and in order to make enough power to pace the race, a couple of cars were given big cams, Edelbrock intakes and bigger Holleys. And it got manipulated into being a "Police Interceptor Package".

Chuck Beach 04-17-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Wong (Post 560930)
This battle can go on and on.

Better strip all the Metric 200s C-4s, solid rear axles in corvettes, aftermarket heads for everyone and all the other super ceded intake manifolds (which there are plenty besides the mopars).

Valve springs too while you are at it cant agree more.

While we are at it, lets go back to the 'stock' duration & overlap on cam shafts.

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Wong (Post 560930)
This battle can go on and on.

Better strip all the Metric 200s C-4s, solid rear axles in corvettes, aftermarket heads for everyone and all the other super ceded intake manifolds (which there are plenty besides the mopars).

Valve springs too while you are at it cant agree more.

While we're dreaming about everything else being sorted out, a valve spring rule would go a long way in making all of the other stuff irrelevant.
(Paul, lets not forget ALL of the Buick V6 cams too!)

Billy Nees 04-17-2018 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 560941)
While we are at it, lets go back to the 'stock' duration & overlap on cam shafts.

Chuck, a valve spring rule would go a long way in making that irrelevant.

Todd Hoven 04-17-2018 09:19 PM

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I for one don’t feel sorry that bougus parts that were pushed though the buddy system are now rescinded. The NHRA has been telling me to go FXXk myself for years trying to get replacement parts for the combo that I run. I could buy 10 of those intakes for what it cost to buy a set of castings for my car. Oh well, guess you will have to work with the original parts. Welcome to stock eleminator

Ed Fernandez 04-17-2018 11:24 PM

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How's about fixing the biggest hosing in Stock Elim.? Put all the new FX cars either in SS or FFX Elim.

Greg Hill 04-18-2018 07:45 AM

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That manifold should of never been approved. It never came on a car and was not a replacement part but a high performance piece from the direct connection catalog. The description in the old DC catalog says that it’s perfect for super stock or modified. This was just like letting the AMC guys have a 780 Holley for their 290 Inch motors. NHRA needs to be more knowledgeable about these older combinations, there are still a couple of guys around that know and they should use their knowledge to keep from making these mistakes.

On another note if you see any of the Chevy guys running the new Edlebrock heads, ask them how they got to the right runner volume. 185 cc intake runners don’t get to be 165 without some serious work.

Chuck Beach 04-18-2018 07:57 AM

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And those Chebbies that came with 2 speeds should never have been given 3 speeds, just sayin'.

James Perrone 04-18-2018 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 560973)
And those Chebbies that came with 2 speeds should never have been given 3 speeds, just sayin'.

Absolutely 2 speed charity is total BS.
Chuck you don’t need the intake or the heads. You were plenty fast before
I. no. About this!

X-TECH MAN 04-18-2018 09:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 560926)
I'm OK with that. Let's ALSO get 727s back in all of those early BB and 340 cars. And I'm not talkin' about "pro-flites".

Hey, I'm OK with going back to the "valve spring" rule or at least a 150# seat rule.
That'll will fix things in a REAL hurry!

I agree Billy......I tried to get NHRA to do that 150# on the seat spring deal back in around 1986. It fell on deaf ears ! Now look at what we have. Expensive cams, expensive lifters, and solid lifters where hydraulics should be. The higher RPM's call for more expensive everything else. Like I said before. NHRA STOCK Elim. DIED back in 1985 ! Its a Jr. Super Stock today.

X-TECH MAN 04-18-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 560941)
While we are at it, lets go back to the 'stock' duration & overlap on cam shafts.

ROTS OF RUCK with that. Then NHRA would have to hire competent tech crews and inspect all those stockers like we did many years ago.

X-TECH MAN 04-18-2018 09:24 AM

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[QUOTE=Greg Hill; NHRA needs to be more knowledgeable about these older combinations, there are still a couple of guys around that know and they should use their knowledge to keep from making these mistakes.

LOL.......Thanks for the chuckle. Most of the old guys that knew this stuff have either retired, gotten PO'ed and quit, or died ! The "King Tutts" at NHRA would not listen anyway !

X-TECH MAN 04-18-2018 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 560973)
And those Chebbies that came with 2 speeds should never have been given 3 speeds, just sayin'.

I agree with you on this 100% and I'm a Chebbie guy.

Jack McCarthy 04-18-2018 01:03 PM

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hey hey hey now .... the 58-61 came with a turbo glide (3speed) so make sure you guys are talking about SOME chebbies .... my 3 speed is legit and approved prior to the GIFT

captain :)

X-TECH MAN 04-18-2018 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy (Post 561009)
hey hey hey now .... the 58-61 came with a turbo glide (3speed) so make sure you guys are talking about SOME chebbies .... my 3 speed is legit and approved prior to the GIFT

captain :)

You are correct Jack.....The 58-61 Turbo glides slipped my old worn out mind for a moment.

X-TECH MAN 04-18-2018 02:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy (Post 561009)
hey hey hey now .... the 58-61 came with a turbo glide (3speed) so make sure you guys are talking about SOME chebbies .... my 3 speed is legit and approved prior to the GIFT

captain :)

You are correct Jack.....The 58-61 Turbo glides slipped my old worn out mind for a moment. Its been a while but maybe someone can remember if the 348's were the ones with the turbo glides as an option. Not sure about the 283's. Like I said its been awhile.

Billy Nees 04-18-2018 03:03 PM

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They put turboglides in 57s too!


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