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Are e shifts being outlawed in 2018? The way I read rule is if your car was OEM computer equipped then e shift is legal. Am I wrong? Talked to Paul Forte and he said the racers need to stand up and complain about this. Personally i am in favor of making electric or air shift legal in all classes. Much safer especially with the wheel stands that some of the stockers are doing today.Seems like on an OEM car you put it in D and go, which is what e shift does.

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As much as I respect Paul Forte , I'm afraid I have to disagree with him on this. But, I suppose business is business.
Seems like every week, someone suggests combining the stick and automatic classes.
If it's a stick racer, I just have to smile. If it's an automatic racer, then I wonder why we need auto upshifts at all. How much trouble is it to slap a Cheetah shifter into second on time?
Y'all remember Steve Bagwell and Richard Griffin? They never seemed to have trouble shifting a T.A. shifter with the wheels up ,and winning races at the same time.

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The Eshift is still legal as it has been for all cars that were oem equipped with a computer. And as Mark pointed out it is not that hard to manually shift a car but as long as its legal I will use one.

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shifting of OEM electric shift automatic transmissions permitted in computer-controlled vehicles only. Otherwise, any gear change must occur as a result of an internal function of the transmission or from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, hydraulic, electric, etc. controls and shifters in all noncomputer-controlled electronic-fuel-injected vehicles prohibited. The use of air assisted or electric assisted shifter is prohibited in all Stock applications.


Looks clear to me

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It is. Computer controlled engines came out in the early 80's. Computer controlled transmissions came out in the mid 90's.
One has nothing to do with the other.

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What the heck is a "non computer-controlled electronic-fuel-injected vehicle", NHRA?

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Lol

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Why is it that EVERY time there is a change to the rules some of us seem to go bonkers trying to figure out what the new rules actually mean? Wouldn't it be easier for everyone, at least for new rules that aren't safety related, that all the "proposed" changes or additions be published on NHRARacer.com prior to their being adopted, so that WE, the folks that are being asked to adapt to them have time to ask questions if we don't understand the meaning of the new rules? Would it be so hard to give us, let's say, 30 days for our input? Obviously no one is saying that any racer input might have any effect on what is being proposed, but at least those of us who consistently have questions about any change from the "status quo" will have an opportunity to ask them, and maybe get an answer that makes sense.

And so far as the new shifter ruling, IMHO only vehicles that came factory equipped with a computer-controlled transmission module are allowed to use an electronically-controlled shifter. Whether that means that a vehicle built in 2013 that now has a Metric 200 and NOT a 4L80E is legal with an e-shifter is the question I would ask, given the opportunity.

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NHRA should do that for certain engine PARTS too!
Oh, wait a minute, then they would have a harder time getting their "Buddy Deals" through. Better to just sneak them in.

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Sorry to go off topic...but speaking of "buddy deals", what is the connection to CFR Performance, who happens to have an awful lot of NHRA-Approved oil pans?

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Why not just be fair and let everybody have them

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Roller cams too ;-)

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no they are not

The use of air assisted or electric assisted shifter is prohibited in all Stock applications.

So now that I read this again. I think eshift are only aloud in cars with solenoid controll transmission and nobody can use air assisted or electric assisted shifter . Cars with out solenoid have to be manually shifted by driver.

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eShift controls a transmission that shifts with internal solenoids , not by moving the shifter.

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[QUOTE=Mark Yacavone;550093]What the heck is a "non computer-controlled electronic-fuel-injected vehicle", NHRA?[/QUOTE

pre 92 car with non computer controlled transmission with electronic-fuel-injected vehicle

I think could be wrong

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[QUOTE=dartman;550118]I sent Dave Ley a message last night just clarification. He said the rule is the same as before for fuel injected cars but the addition to the rule was to clarify because some of the factory hot rods were using air operated or electric shifters.

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It really doesn't matter to me either way, I didn't have anything to getting the rule in and I wouldn't through a fit if they did away with it all together but as long as its legal I will use it.

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Okay, so the way I'm hearing this is a 1977 Seville 350 can have electric up-shift, but a 1977 Coupe DeVille 425 can't?
Who thought that rule up?
Never mind. I already know.

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Thanks guys for all the responses. Good luck next season

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[QUOTE=HR9121;550121] Correct, some of the millionaires were bending the rules a tad bit....LOL.....

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[QUOTE=HR9121;550121]Here is what the rule revision says.

Electronic rpm controls for the electric
(internal or external to the transmission) shifting of OEM electric shift automatic
transmissions permitted in computer-controlled vehicles only.

They added the words "OEM electric shift" to the previous rule.

The way I read it only OEM electronic transmissions can be electrically controlled. I hope I'm wrong in my interpretation. I also think all cars should be able to use it. Having both hands on the wheel should be safer than having one hand on the wheel, one on the shifter with your attention on the tach to hit shift points.

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[QUOTE=Darrel Goheen
Having both hands on the wheel should be safer than having one hand on the wheel, one on the shifter with your attention on the tach to hit shift points.[/QUOTE]


I assume you only put a statement like that on here to see how people will react?

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[QUOTE=Darrel Goheen;550166]Yes , that would make sense..but as we all know, in this tech/no tech era...

I already commented on the last part with your premise, so I cut it out.

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No, never thought about how anyone would react other than the NHRA rule makers. Can you dispute the statement? Until I bought my Camaro in Oct. 2016, 99.9% of the thousands of passes I made down the track in the last 17 years was done with one hand on the wheel, one on the shifter and most of my attention on the tach until my second shift.

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In my faster Stockers...... I have a hard time shifting
the cars when they are way up it the Air.

This leads to me (literally) hitting the tree occasionally.

Of course.......I am pretty old!

We all know there are quite a number of early cars that
are willing to risk running E shift 1st to 2nd.

I am sure I would get caught the first race!

I still wish it was legal.... for everyone I race against
in other lanes well being.

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I agree John. Actually now that I'm thinking back a few months....there is a good chance I would have run the tree over had I not had both hands on the steering wheel when I launched on a junk track and took an immediate right turn in the left lane.

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If thats such a big problem, I guess all the higher class stickshift cars must need electric shifters too, right? For safety, of course!:p

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Seriously, how can you guys not make a couple of shifts with an auto trans?

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I may be in the minority here, but anything that diminishes the input of the driver weakens the class. Drive the damn car!

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Every enhancement in the last 30 years has been for safety, just about.
But guess what? They then go faster and need more "safety".

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Good point.

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I was thinking the same thing....Kevin Helms won Stock world championships with only ONE hand on the steering wheel !! What a bunch of pansy azzes ???

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Like I said before I could care less but since the rule allows it for my car it would be silly for me not to take advantage. Just add me to the pansy *** list lol.

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what year is your car?

this is how it reads to me

shifting of OEM electric shift automatic transmissions permitted in computer-controlled vehicles only.(so a 4L60E was indroduce in 1992 only 92 and up for chevy)Otherwise, any gear change must occur as a result of an internal function of the transmission or from direct action by the driver.

Pneumatic, hydraulic, electric, etc. controls and shifters in all noncomputer-controlled electronic-fuel-injected vehicles prohibited

(means every other car,91 and older for chevy)

The use of air assisted or electric assisted shifter is prohibited in all Stock applications

(means no auto shifters in stock eliminator)

my two cents

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My car can be claimed as a 91 or 92. According to my conversation with Dave Ley nothing has changed about this rule other than what was added to stop some guys from using air or electric shifters.

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James, 4L60-E , first used in Camaros in 1994 .
What does that mean to NHRA? Nothing, I'm sure.

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I guess everything is up to interpretation. I can use any corporate trans I want and I have a computer controlled car so what year the transmission came in the car is irrelevant in my opinion.

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No. Shouldn't be open to interpretation. Just not being enforced correctly by you know who in California.
You think that 92 TPI computer will run a 4L60-E?
(The answer is no)

Good luck in 2018

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I had one in my old j/sa 74 Nova for a sort time mr Paul had told me it was legal and mr Travis explained it was not. I did not have it hid it was mounted on the dash in plain sight. I had already been through tech at about five races and Travis walked by my car and seen it. He asked me if it was doing anything to the transmission and of course I said yes. He said to have it out before first round. I took it out.
The only problem I have with the rule is if one car can have it in stock all should be and please don't tell me to pick another car. Everybody picks there car because they like that car most of the time. What im saying is most the e-shift cars are running a 200 or 350 trans that did not come in them so whats the difference. And I know you can do the auto 1-2 shift. Sorry for being so long its just NHRA don't play by the same rules. By the way the E-shift is legal in any car to run a shift light.

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