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I think the 15 Camaro automatic @ 365 hp will go to 370 hp and make the car A, B, and C in stock.

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When do they publish Mr. Larry?

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Usually on the Friday right before the X-mas break. Kind of like the same mindset companies use when they fire somebody nowadays.

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The last day NHRA works before the Christmas break, I think. It kinda give everyone time to relax before NHRA get swamped with calls.

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LMAO - so true

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"Document Dump"

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Not sure about the hit because it looks like some were trying to drag the average down at the end of the year.

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Well if my math is correct we won't be on the list thanks to Chris Ashley. She did her job at Vegas to get us off the hook, but we shouldn't have been on the hook if it wasn't for a couple of unnecessary runs made at St Louis division race.......

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Bruce it looks like they forgot about the C/SA average, it's -896 under. Uncle Al went two runs of a second under at Pomona causing it to be reviewed. Or did the Camaro boys just wanted to run "A/SA" ?

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Larry, I missed the C/SA average. But Jeff did tell some folks in the lanes at Indy that there was a lot of interest in getting those cars into A/SA.

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3130 pound Car in A ,thats gonna beat up on the competition
Are the NHRA shipping weights anywere close to a showroom vehicle?

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No they are not. They are fraudsters! They try to claim that much of the weight reduction comes from removal of extraneous equipment which is bogus. They make no attempt to argue that the HP numbers are correct.

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The Camaro that ran 9.98 in C/SA at Indy in 2800' air will go, I think, high 9.40's to low 9.50's at the Baby Gators on a good day in A/SA.

Will there be any Class cars racing class at the 50th Gators?

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Oh, come on Billy!
Thought I was going to read a good one. LOL

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Jeff said the car he was driving could run 9.40's in B/SA if it was set on kill. Not sure if he meant at Indy.

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Aww shucks Ed, now I feel bad.
2015 Camaro shipping wts. depending on options; 3702-4374. (includes Conv.)
Now, just for comparisons sake,
2013 Challenger shipping wts. depending on options; 3834-4170.
What I'd love to know is how the shipping wt. of a Hellcat just managed to be 4500 lbs.? Just enough to get it into AA and A!
Rather than asking about a 3130 lb. Camaro in A, what would it be like trying to stop a 5000 lb. Hellcat in A?

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Longtime friend of mine sent me a video of his son's new Hellcat. I am not aware of his son ever drag racing before. Just like he bought it, not an experienced driver, here at Tulsa (slow track) it went 10.95. Just like he drives it on the street. Fast cars.

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I have a Hellcat motor on the dyno that we finally got started after 3 months. Made good power, and I have a car, but I ain't goin that fast @ 5000 lbs. Just asking for trouble. I think NHRA should put a reasonable weight on all the cars and start at a 6 lb or so class.4700 lbs to 5000 lbs is overkill. There is a lot of weight on those cars. Probably 500 lbs in wheels, tires, and brakes just for starters.

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Anyone interested in telling me if they think I’d be getting Hp this year?

1994 Chevy caprice 265 p/sa. Any more info I’ll find some more lol

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Mike I assume you didn't make any runs after the Charlotte race this year. If you didn't you're safe, your average up to that point was .841 under.

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All of these new cars should be put in the guide with the advertised horsepower and correct shipping weight.

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You’re correct. Thanks for double checking for me. I’d call that close!!

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GM takes a slightly kinder approach, but still uses the Holidays as the target timeframe. They've announced that they'll be reducing headcount by 20 percent across the board, in the month of January. I'm long gone from GM, but a buddy of mine who still works there tells me that everybody who's still there is joking "Have a great Holiday season, but keep the receipts on the toys for the kids, because you may not have a job to come back to".

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What is the average/threshold that would prompt a HP increase?
Terry K

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Ahfs

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Terry the magic number is .850 under. If a combo is flagged by 2 or more runs of 1.00 under in a review period and the average is more than .85 under you're getting a present.

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LOL......"ROTS of RUCK" on that !

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^^^^^

I've never heard of a 1.10 under rule.

Al Corda

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Thanks James for the info.
So, if I had a couple of .9's under and there was other runs of .5's under
(for my combo) , as long as the average is less than .85 all SHOULD be good??
TK

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You're right Al, not sure where I got that from but I deleted it.

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Yes sir that is correct and as long as no one triggers a review it doesn't matter what the average is.

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The AHFS is used to review and evaluate runs in Stock and Super Stock for possible horsepower adjustments. The review is conducted twice per racing season. The two reviews are compiled individually so the data is not cumulative. Runs included in the AHFS database are limited to final qualifying runs (Q data) and all elimination runs (E data) at all NHRA National, Sports National and LODRS events. (At events where class eliminations are run, all class elimination runs are included in the AHFS database. Only the first round of class is part of qualifying and therefore is part of the "Q" database.)The "Q" data and "E" data files are the official data gathered by the NHRA timing system and processed through the NHRA Information Technology department. NHRA "Q" data and "E" data are the only data files used for the AHFS. No runs made during National Opens, test and tune, time trials,1/8 mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review.

The first review period includes data from National and LODRS events 1 through 12 and the second period includes runs from events 13 through 24. The following procedure is used in reviewing run data:

Final qualifying, class eliminations, and elimination runs of 1.00 seconds or more, under the index, at NHRA National, Sports Nationals, and LODRS events will trigger an automatic review. (The combination must make at least two runs of 1.00 or quicker before a review is triggered to prevent a "one time fast run" from triggering the system.) In reviewing runs of 1.00 or more under the index, the database of runs for the engine combination being reviewed are put through three screenings as listed below. The screenings will look for an overall engine family average or class/engine average faster than 0.850-second under. Runs of .350 and slower are not included in calculating the engine or class/engine averages:

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Don could you understand that for me? Thanks in advance.

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Not sure what you mean to me If You go 1 second under during the first review period twice and Your overall average is more than 85 under then you will get hp or at least a review

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Another lesser known fact is this:
If you get yourself set up for some hp at the half year, someone with the exact same body style and combo in a class below or above you, cannot lower your average.
It has to be in the exact same class too.

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I certainly was not aware of that!

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Don't forget the 'mineshaft' exception, and the automatic adjustment if you run -1.20 or better regardless of mineshaft conditions.

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I hate to challenge anybody on here it never goes well - but
From personal experience we run FSSE
the overall average included D,E,F
the individual average includes each class including your class (E)
But a numskull can go far enough under in a different class (F) and generate HP for the family D,E,F

We were good overall and in (D+E never ran F) but a lone ranger in (F) got us 5hp

Three ways to get HP.

Very sorry to report - but maybe the rules changed last year.


Ron

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Ron, That's the way I read that gobble-de-gook too, but not so says Pat C.
My example: A Div.4 V6 car in N/SA goes out early in the season and makes two runs a second under, plus a couple of -.90 runs, then puts it away.
A div. 7 car in O/SA makes many runs in the -.50 under range in the same half year.
Another Div 7 car that runs P/SA, was in S/S at the time.
All three cars and classes get 3 hp. The average was not. .85 under. This happened twice now.
When inquired about, Pat C says you're wrong...( good bye , click)

So, can anyone explain this, besides the obvious?