NHRA and the "Bo Butner rule"?
 

Looks like NHRA has taken a stance on racers and their support of politics at NHRA events. How will this end for NHRA?
https://i.imgur.com/BX47uch.jpg

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I can't help but wonder what would've happened if he would've been supporting the other side. Kind of seems like they are messing with 1st amendment rights to me.

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To what exactly are you speaking of? I know there was a big to-do about the lack of TV coverage on Bo's car, but have they released something officially and i haven't seen it?

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Also, if you look at page 58 in the current National Dragster, theres a picture of the car in question in the Finals.

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Some reading for anyone wanting to argue the First Amendment in this situation:

"Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

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"MYTH #1: Anyone—even other private citizens—can violate your First Amendment rights.

TRUTH: Often, we hear someone accuse another private citizen of violating his or her First Amendment rights.

If a radio talk show host threatens to cut off a caller, we might hear, “What about my right to free speech? What about my First Amendment rights?” What’s wrong with that question? The First Amendment only applies to government actions. In other words, it protects the citizens from the government. A private organization, like a radio talk show, cannot violate another private citizen’s First Amendment rights."

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Best I can tell this is a today thing with NHRA.

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If I were Bo... Does not say PS, Comp, Superstock or Stock? This could be fun!
About 50 cars show up with Trump on them! Lmao

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Can someone post a link to what we're speaking about?

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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

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There is no First Amendment right to use someone else's property ( i.e. - a business' logo) on anything without their permission.

Likewise, when you are on private property or at a private event, the property owner or event owner can stop you from saying or doing what you want.

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In addition to everything you say, there is also no First Amendment right to say whatever you want without consequence.

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I will agree that it's their party and they make the rules which we are always reminded by NHRA. But it's not a business logo it's a political logo no different than a person putting signs in their front yard. Whether I or anyone else agrees with a person's choice of candidates should be irrevelant they have an opinion. It's a shame that we live in such a butthurt society that we can't respect other people's views or an organization like NHRA or NASCAR are worried about hurting someone's damn feelings!

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I really doubt there are many democrats attending or racing at any NHRA events. Its the democrats that want to eliminate racing and the use of the types of fuels we burn in our race cars. NHRA should be firmly behind the republican party if they have any idea what is good for them. Unfortunately NHRA headquarters is located in the land of fruits and nuts. So who knows where the political views lye. Sad time for our country these days.

Trump 2020

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Why do I think images of Che Guevara, Karl Marx, Abimael Guzmán and Fidel Castro would be just fine?

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Free Country! I'll support whoever I want and proudly display TRUMP on my back window !!


Its my car unless NHRA wants to buy it then they can write whatever they want on it !

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At the recently run LODRS/Sportsnationals double at New England Dragway, there were many campaign signs and flags displayed and at least one car with a large candidates sign on the door. Thought it was just a display of one of our freedoms.

I do understand it is their sandbox, but I think they would be better served to just let it go

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I'm happy about Bo Butner's message but being that's it's in the rule book's General Regulations it in violation of the rule.
Does NASCAR have the same rule, I don't think so as I seem to remember a car four years ago with a "Make America Great Again" graphics.

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those cars are not on tv. basically NHRA s tv coverage is the issue if you read the complete statement and rules

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actually, thinking about it further, per nhra a rule, if it is a paid advertisement it can be on car. go to lool republican office and get a check for $10.00 that says "advertising on race car"

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The political polarization in this country is completely out of hand, many (on one side it seems) can not just agree to disagree. I do understand the position of NHRA on this, given they apparently have just banned "everything", but one has to wonder if the message would have been something different would the reaction be the same? Is it Fox Sports? I mean they televise NBA games that have "Black Lives Matter" painted on the courts.

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I believe it would have been no different.

This is about the problems this can cause on broadcast TV. "Equal time" docturn.

Everyone is reading way to much into this.

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Didn't this message board use to include a "Lounge" section ? Shouldn't this thread be in a section such as that and not in the Stock/Super Stock section ?

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Think you guys are missing the nonprofit part of situation. Same reason NPR can't blatantly say who one should vote for.
I don't think NHRA wants to pay corporate taxes.

What do I know, I'm Canadian.

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I guess this is out too..not too long ago
Bo Butner’s car is painted up like The General Lee in Vegas

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The dark side is just mad there man can't win in the finals.... Who would want to put a loser on their car??

Trump 2020!!

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This NHRA game and as it says enhancements will happen at any moment
Just like they banned cigarettes and alcohol and energy drinks
They are just bowing To The Woke Mob.
Now you want racers to be politically correct. Lol

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The Dem. are coming. I spoke of this on my march 24th post. All Racer and Fan go out and VOTE. We need to Protect I Rights and Freedom. We Live in the Greatest Country Lets keep it that Way (Stand-Up) Trump 2034!! drive them crazy

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It wasn't in the rulebook when he did it, they amended the rule after he did it.

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Back when WINSTON was the NHRA marquis - I was negotiating with NICODERM for sponsor ship.

NHRA said I could not do it ..

I will never forget the marketing guy for NICODERM saying -"WINSTON and NICODERM make strange bedfellows" - meaning they did not really want all people to stop smoking because they would not need NICODERM -- and the WINSTON folks said they liked NICODERM since it gave people hope.

More crazy things you never knew about.


Ron

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If it had been the other side some of you would be coughing up and crapping blood from enlarged prostrates and trying to boycott something.

Who cares, we all know whats going to happen.

When that happens, ill did the holes and spread the lime.

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It is their sandbox. NHRA has the right to control all of this - sponsor signage, stickers, graphics, etc. Says so in the rulebook. Just as the NFL, NBA and NASCAR have the right to control what is going in their arenas. Those 3 are making a big mistake, IMO, by ceasing to be an organization for the conduct and well being of their respective sports and becoming a bunch of SJWs. They allowed and condoned their participants to do this and now they are up to their neck in alligators and the conversations there are about everything but their respective on field/track activities. .

As strongly as I feel about this climate of division and who is right and/or wrong, I completely agree with NHRA. Maybe they need to limit the size of stickers or graphics if they are going to allow any of this. I hope they remain neutral, avoid any "declarations" of support for either ideology, limit their political involvement to issues directly effecting drag racing, and just stick to being a drag racing organization. I'm all about being fair and if one can do it, so can the other. The right way to keep one out is to keep all out.

Just remember, if one group can make a big presentation, so can the other. I don't want to see NHRA turned into the dumpster fire that NASCAR and the stick and ball sports have become.

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I am a 73 year old lifelong Democrat, a hardcore fan since the age of 15 who attends 4 to 6 NHRA events every year at both the National and Divisional level, and a Navy veteran who served for 4 years on a nuclear submarine and 2 submarine rescue ships. I am not an environmentalist; if climate change is happening at all, it is happening due to natural causes. There are many Democrats who don't believe in the radical left; I am one of them.

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Well, the NHRA directive is about to be tested. A stock Eliminator car here in BG has Trump/ Pence on both doors in LARGE letters. Also, a prominent super stock racer has 330 TRUMP decals on the way...this is turning into a slippery slope....

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Sounds like you more fit into what most republicans believe. You should think about making a change. Glad you enjoy our sport and support it. I thank you for your service to this great country. You would be welcome at my pit area anytime.

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There goes all the TV time for Stock and Super Stock!

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I don't get why people are so upset. Why is it so important for people to be able display a Trump/Pence sticker on their car at an nhra event? It's not like you can't still support their campaign.

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Because everyone is tired of the bull**** whats good for one isn't good for the other. People are so afraid to stand up and say what they feel BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY MIGHT HURT SOMEBODIES FEELINGS OR AFFEND SOMEONE BOOO HOOO who gives a **** if people don't like BO'S CAR THEN DON'T ****ING LOOK AT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its his choice to display what he wants on his car and a damn good display it is !!!!!!!!

Its a sad day when you go to a workplace wearing a T-shirt with an American flag on it and they say you can't wear anything political here? WAIT WHAT, its an AMERICAN FLAG ! Last I checked this is still America !

Yes I'm pissed this **** has got to STOP!

TRUMP INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!

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Sept 2 the Phoenix council are getting together to determine if it's ok to paint BLM on one of our streets. I did my civil duty and sent to council a big NO. Goodyear tire does not what Blue or All lives and NHRA does not want Trump signage. So if it's fair for those groups then it's fair us in Phoenix to not allow this.

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Most of these city councils have shown how really spineless they are by caving to the mob mentality. I'd be surprised if they didn't allow it. Probably worried about backlash if they don't approve it.