Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers
 

Would like to see pics & info on the best Pontiac powered Super Stockers, thru the years.

If such a thread already exists, somebody please post a link to it.

Thanks !

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How about Peter Biondo & Philip Monteith's 428-powered Firebird. That should be a good start.

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Don Kennedy is Pontiac!!!!!! Don's Pontiac Superstockers have always been top shelf.

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Jack Mullins

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Sonny Ray 72 455ho gto

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From a winning aspect, it would be Monteith/Biondo. But for performance my vote is Bob Cruzen. He went 8.90 @ 146.13 first round of class at Indy in GT/AA 2016. To my knowledge this was the first time a Pontiac ran in the eights at an NHRA meet with a Quadrajet. The late Frank Grossi was the first Quadrajet Super Stocker to dip in the eights but that was with a Chevy.

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I don’t know about the best,....but the MOST colorful Pontiac SS racer is Bill Virgil Rink....HANDS DOWN....No contest....

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and hauling that yacht in a Bus!

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near the top of most lists

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How about that Div 3 Bob Michaels




Jerry
Retired 3490 3492 STK SS SST

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Like so..

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Herslow morlock phil szupka phillip monteith 73 sd firebird made into 74 to run 400 for p monteith by Johnny Duncan

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Bob has had lots of Pontiac Stockers, for sure. Last 3 were a '62 GP, a '77 Lemans, & a '77 Catalina, IIRC. I think Dave Ribeiro now has the Lemans.

Not aware of his SS Pontiacs.

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He was my first Pontiac SS hero, when he won the the US Nats & Sports Nats, in '75. We saw him run that screamin 389 wagon, at a points race in Jackson, Miss. Got a real good close up pic. But I've already posted it here.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/0212hpp-pontiac-history/

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Yeah, it was a nat record holder. We saw it run at the 1978 Cajun Nats. Got a real good close-up of Sonny & the car. Had never heard of Sonny Ray or the car. Didn't know who it belonged to, til I ask here.

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...27&postcount=1

Sonny won the Cajun Nats in '79 & '82 !

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1979

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1982

I think after it got a new paint job, it was the same car David Rampy used to get his 1st nat event win, in around 1983, at the Cajun Nats.

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...31&postcount=3

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Wow!,I had completely forgotten Herslow and Morlock. They earned a lot of respect back in the day,esp. from Pontiac people.

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There were several SD455 Birds. Here's Russ Abrams.

https://www.classracer.com/classforu...9&postcount=24

The first one I remember was the H-O Racing Specialties red '74. It was a record holder. We saw it at the '78 Cajun Nats. I've read that it is the same car that J.B. Clegg has, & has raced, with a 4-speed.

John Clegg raced a '73. J.B. Raced it this season. I think J.B. has got both cars down near the mid 9's.

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Bill Rink and Greg Meyer from Div. 3 have two of the nicest Pontiac powered Super Stockers you will see.

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How bout Steve Smith's 91 formula div 1 championship 400 6x car 9.80's got 6x motor 10hp thanks steve Burton's car now. Vic Santos firebird 9.99 on 11.20 index 400 4x. Now Bill Kennedy's car. Wilber Thornton's 74 bird run for along time since new i think

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Bill's little GTO is one of the quickest 350 Pontiac powered cars ever, along with Mike Morgan's '77 Bird.

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The Burton car now has the alum head 428, I think.

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Bob has had lots of Pontiac Stockers, for sure.
Not aware of his SS Pontiacs.

Don Kennedy’s first Pontiac Super Stocker, 73 Firebird 455 SD, was purchased from Bob Michaels.

Don, Fred Rector and I drove Dons ramp truck non stop, except for gas, from Farmington New Mexico to Lexington Ky to look at the car.
It was during the Kentucky Derby and there wasn’t a motel room to be found. Finally found one in Frankfurt and grabbed a few hours sleep. Bob met us at the track and made a pass with the car, went an 11.0 then he let Don make a pass. Don went a 10.99 and that’s all it took. Fred and I looked at each other and without a word walked to the ramp truck to get ready for loading the car. Bob wasn’t sure what was going on but we knew it was a sale! Long trip back, straight through again. 3000 miles round trip. Ah to be young! This was 1980 or 81.
Sorry Don, I couldn’t resist telling that story.

Kelly

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Ok speaking of Bob Michael how bout Johnny Duncan and Bill Foder The Mckinney's.

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"...drove Dons ramp truck non stop, except for gas, from Farmington New Mexico to Lexington Ky..."

Love stories from the "good ole days". Would also LOVE to see the pics.

I'm probably not the only guy here who likes to see the old pics. I even like pics of the ramp trucks & open trailers the cars were hauled on.

" and hauling that yacht in a Bus! "

It was a different world from the motor homes & fancy enclosed trailers of today's racing world.

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Carroll Warling from D-5, 74 Lemans, and GTO.

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I always thought greg murname's 1967 GTO "limelighter" was a fast stocker and a beautiful car

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put it in the wrong post

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Yeah, The A-body was a record holder for a while. SS/MA I think. Also won class at the US Nats. Ran it with both a Lemans & a Grand Am nose. At least I assume it was the same car.

Runs the '74 GTO in a GT class. Guessing he runs a '74 400 engine in it, using what he's learned from running a 400 in the A-body.

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Not the fastest, but if there is a cleaner, more detailed Super Stock Pontiac than Div. 7s Art Petersons 68 or 69 GTO, I would be suprised.

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It's a nice '69.

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Use to be quite a few 389 wagons in competition.

Here's one that is shown to have been a record holder from '65 thru '80, except for 2 years.

Who can give us details ?

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Got pics of a J Duncan car.

The pics I have of a Billy Foder car are of a Stocker. I think I posted a pic of a car with someone else's name on the door, which I have listed as Bill Foder driving. So, maybe somebody else has pics & info.

I know Mike McKinney won the US Nats in the '68 Bird Stocker he bought from Truman Fields. That same year, Truman won his Stock class, in the Bird the McKinney's had traded him, in that earlier deal. If the Mckinney's had other Pontiac drag cars, I'd like to know about 'em.

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Only pics I have are of the last one. Would love to see pics of any others he's raced.

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I suppose those S/S & S/SA cars from the early '60's are considered Super Stock cars. Lots of big Pontiacs did well in those classes.

Looks like I've already used most of my pics of these old cars. But here's some of Carol Cox, who won her S/SA class at the '62 Winter Nats & the US Nats. Her husband, Lloyd, drove the M/T A/FX Tempest to the class win at the US Nats. The M/T Pontiac powered dragster also won. So, Pontiacs did good at the big race, in '62.

She was actually the 1st woman to win a class at a National event.

https://www.nhra.com/news/2018/carol...t-class-winner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Cox

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Can't discuss Super Stock Pontiacs without mentioning the '69 RAIV Bird, driven by Keri Angeles.

I've read that she made the 1st 9 sec pass by any non-GT Super Stock Pontiac.

"...FEBRUARY 4TH, 2000 POMONA, CALIFORNIA - N.H.R.A. WINTERNATIONALS
KERI ANGELES DROVE HER FATHERS 1969 R.A.FOUR FIREBIRD TO A RECORD SETTING 9.99 E.T. TO BECOME THE FIRST EVER N.H.R.A. SUPER STOCK 400 INCH PONTIAC INTO THE NINE SECOND ZONE. CONGRATULATIONS JOHN, MELINDA, KIM, AND KERI FOR ACHIEVING A LIFETIME GOAL TO BE THE FIRST S/S CATEGORY CAR, (NOT A G.T.,) TO GET IN THE NINES. TO PROVE IT WASN'T A FLUKE, THEY CAME BACK IN THE FIRST ROUND OF ELIMINATIONS FRIDAY MORNING TO WIN WITH ANOTHER 9.99 AND THEN, IN THE THIRD ROUND, WENT A 9.98!..."

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I think somebody mentioned Robert Cruzen's 428 powered Cobalt, which has run some high 8 sec passes.

That alum head 428 is quite popular, in GT cars. Since the 428 was not available in an A or F body, I don't know of anybody running a 428, except in GT. But, since a 428 was available in a '69 GP, I assume that maybe somebody ran one of those, somewhere back in the old days. Anybody know of a non-GT car running a 428 ?

Here are pics of Robert's car as well as Todd Frantz's Cobalt. Don't know how many non-Pontiac bodies are now running the Pontiac 428 engine.

The GT rules allow LOTS of different combos. I like the idea of being able to run the older engines in later model bodies. Just curious. For you guys who were in SS, back when they came up with the GT rules, was there a lot pushback from the regular SS guys ? And, exactly what year did the GT rules go into effect ?

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The '63 Blue Catalina wagon is probably the Larry Pacey car out of the Miami area. He ran it in Div II for several years and set the record at will.

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Larry pacey i think

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My only Claim to fame is that I wrote the GT rules in the early 80s, Gave the notebook to Darell Zimmerman and Elroy Adams to give to NHRA. Then NHRA made a few changes to them and bang the GT Classes were in effect with Dave Danish. The Factories loved the GT rules and so did the Racers who now could use Older Motors in Newer Cars. My Trans Am was the very first GT car Build under the watchful eyes Of Danish NHRA National Tech Person .also about the same time Dick Henry built a GT car

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I'll list all the guys I can think of that run the 428. If ya'll know of others, please list 'em.

Scott Burton, Robert Cruzen, Todd Frantz, Leo Glasbrenner, Don Kennedy, Phil Monteith.

The McCarty's have 2 GT cars. Don't know what engines they'll run.