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Noticed the Epping race has no one live reporting.Also noticed only two pro catagories ,and they did not have full fields. There were no pro stock,pro stock bike pro mod,Alcohol funny car ,or dragster.Ss,sg,t sportsman and t dragster did not have full fields. Yet they didn't increase quotas on other catagories. What is going on ?

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LOL..........!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's a tough tow for the Pro's knowing in 2 weeks they start the western swing, to go from Ohio to Indiana (Home base for most) to NH to Colorado, its kind of a logistical nightmare. As far as the sportsman side of it, to be honest the people I talk to a lot down in the Tri-State (PA, NJ, DE, MD) hate the tow because the roads up there suck and it's a holiday....I know the Northern People come down our way but, not as many of you guys compared to down here. A lot of people have vacation planned with family since it's on the 4th of July and it's a long weekend for most. Next year it moves to August 21-23rd and it might be a smart move to do this race like they do the Gators, Lucas Race one weekend, National the next. I think you'd get a better bang for the buck with people taking one tow up there for 2 events.

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Pain in the azz to get there. And I live onLong Island
Yes seems like the PROs are a dead issue.
Looking like IHRA. Program. Slowly winding down.
That god I’m a sportsman racer

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Don't understand the driving issue,but I used to live there for over 60 years.I live in N.C. now and have been back a couple of times. No problem getting there.Easy drive .Not sure how other people come.But I agree i'm glad i am a sportsman racer too.

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Moving the race date is by far the best move they can make.

It can be a very intense time if you choose to race every the 15 weeks weekly from LV divisional, Epping National, the two opens in Canada, Allstars @ epping, Atco divisional, allstars @ LV, cecil county divisional, bowling green divisional, Indy, Epping divisional, maple grove national, Sports nats @ columbus, dutch classic @ the grove, and ending up the season in October 4-6 in Virginia.....

The 4th of July is a tough time even for a local like myself. Pool party in my backyard versus sitting in the field baking....Love the track surface, and towing up to New England isn't that bad at all if you avoid NYC, and the GW bridge, and go up 87 to 90 from the south. Its always going to be a tough sell for many though.

Eric

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No Comp there either and it was tied in with 4th of July weekend. I had entered and pulled out because I couldn't get anyone at all to go. Shame. I was looking forward to this race.

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Despite the reduced quotas and category reductions, I had conversation with several racers who had to pit up beyond the top end in the boonies. But they had room in the pits and in the schedule for snowmobiles? Really?

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No it's not dead ...I can't get a vac day on the 4 of July ....

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LOL.....Keep on putting up with it !

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I was there.
It SUCKED.
Got there early on Thursday morning, sat and waited to be parked in THE DIRT WAY up in back, while others came in behind me and just drove to a spot on the grass.
NO texting from NHRA available, NO Radio station available, NO garbage cans, NOT even a port-a-pottie and NHRA ONLY came by ONCE to tell us that they called us to the lanes.
Had to keep driving up to the scales to hear ANYTHING. My car looks like I went dirt racing with it.
I'm cured, I'll NEVER go back.

The confusing part is, when they first got the National they were supposed to make all these improvements, I haven't seen any. It was all supposed to be repaved, NO MORE dirt, New tower, new staging lanes, etc, etc. Just to get to the staging lanes from up top in the dirt, it was an obstacle course trying to avoid all the huge holes, bumps and cracks.

For $440 (me and crew) you would think they would at least pit you with some pavement.

Mean while, there were all these motorhomes homes (no trailers) parked on the pavement.

I'm done.
No More.

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Div 3 they run snow mobiles too but I've never seen cars racing at snow mobile races why is that???

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I`m sorry to hear the bad reports from Epping, but I`m not as surprised as I once was. July 4th is a tough weekend to hold any event, After losing Englishtown, I was optimistic that this would race would do better. Maybe if they move the date it will help. They are going to need Pro classes to fill the stands. Not sure how they will draw Long Island, and Southern D1 sportsman racers. I hope it improves.
Mike A114

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I wasn't there - Couldn't get in Quota was filled in Stk, SC, SST. There were some open spots in the other Sportsman categories. Have been parked in past at the Overflow Area. Was always called by officials and always had the track radio working? Been at Gators, parked WAY BACK and radio was out of range!

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LOL.........

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So, what you're saying is that when the owners were bargaining to get a Natl. Event they were doing it as if they were running for public office?

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The race for NHRA and the track continues to look like an attendance success.
Plus the Stock, Super Stock and Super Street classes will always fill up since for so many of the Canadians and Northern New Englanders ,this is the closest race within less than 12 -20 hours. ....Plus what Stock /SS racer is going to miss an opportunity to run Class !
The track pit area and spectator parking areas are unfortunately woefully undersized.
The amount of space that was set aside for the Gold and Red Key parking and the golf cart trailer was ridiculous, plus there was a huge area that the Stock/SS cars usually park that was torn up and not available. If all the motorhomes and cars that were parked on the paved area were moved ,there would have been dozens of additional pit spaces available.
The grass pit area was soggy and torn up with deep ruts everywhere...... The first spot I was parked in was so sloped I could not open the trailer door and I could not level the Motorhome .... It started to slide off the wood that was needed to keep the pads from sinking into the ground !!
The idea that back to back Div/Nationals is good for the racers is total B.S.unless you are retired . .....Especially on a major holiday week !
I ,like many others had to go back to work after Lebanon . ......between the two races I spent 22 hours on the road . ...Yeah ,I know thats not a lot for some racers ,but driving in N.Y., Conn. and Mass. is the WORST . . The BUMP sign , the state motto for Mass. and Conn. is at nearly every bridge. ....I hold my breath at every one !!
I would expect to see a continued decline in racers from farther South than N.Y. except for those of us that chase the points.
And that's without considering the Mosquito and tick issues !!

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On top of the major Tick and Mosquito issue, and very soft grass that everyone was getting rigs stuck in, and the grass that was not mowed for crap, i found it funny that my $330 entry fee that got me an all access restricted pass, was very restricted, it seemed i had more rent a cops telling me i couldn't do things like i was a 12 year old. Then during my first time shot Friday, by the time i staged the car it was 140 degrees because i had 5 staging cops telling me to stop, then pull forward 5 feet then stop, then pull forward to the next rent a cop, then get bitched at the next time because i refused to start the car and roll forward 3 feet. seems they hired people who loved the authority for a weekend and forgot the fact that i payed a ton of money to be there.....oh well, im sure ill see them again when the county fair rolls into town

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Great Post Tom. This seems to be the way it will be at most national events. Seems the NHRA makes more money off of the motorhome parking than the Sportsman racers. We keep getting pushed farther away from the staging and racing areas every year.

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I was there, just got home from what was a great event for us and couldn't disagree more with your comments.

I got there 6:45 Wednesday morning for stacking, #26 on line then went to Hampton Beach for the day, had a great time there. Back Thursday morning at 7:00am, saw Dave Mohn and the rest of the crew who started parking us at 8:00am, I was in by 9:15 and got a nice spot on the grass right at the staging lanes, same place the majority of the sportsman racers were parked.

Got an email from NHRA Wednesday morning asking if we wanted txt updates throughout the event and we opted in. Was notified everyday when called to the lanes, schedule changes etc.

Also listened to the radio station, 89.7 everyday in my trailer and while cruising on my golf cart everywhere on the property.

Garbage cans and port a potties too were everywhere throughout the pits where we and the majority of sportsman racers were parked as well the concession area had permanent and trailer based toilets.

I'll agree the facility like most needs improvements but it is what it is. Most important is the track is good.

BTW, those motorhomes parked on the pavement down at the finish line belong to the Pro Teams.

That said, be honest Frank, you don't like the NHRA don't like the fact that 6.10 is the quickest you can run and have stated so on another forum and possibly this one so why do you come? Others have adapted to the NHRA's rules for TD, but you just seem to refuse to and frankly it seems you are wasting your time and $. But you've said "I'm done" before.


Last October 30th....

"It's Official TD TS 6.10
http://promod.nhra.com/userfil...ments%2010-23-18.pdf

I'm out.
PDRA is where I'm heading since they took my class away.

Yeah, I can't wait.
My wife is MORE excited than I am.
Since NHRA did this it just made our decision for us.

She already told me to order the rear gear and new converter.
The 3.70 thing doesn't bother me, at least that is still fast.
As you know having a 6.00 car doesn't mean I have a 3.70 car, far from it, they are different animals.

Can't wait to come join you guys."

Man was not built to fly ... That's why he built HEMI's

Frank Zeffiro
ALIAS -- BIG KAHUNA

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I don't know who you are talking to but the pits were filled with sportsman racers from PA, NJ, DE, MD. I guess you're talking to the same people that complain about the tow to Numidia. If it ain't the hills its the roads.:rolleyes: Racers can always find an excuse for not attending an event but bitch about everything going on at the few events they attend in a season.

When you're chasing a championship, your vacation time is spent racing. If you ain't doing that, I question why are you there?

I vote NO to running the divisional and national event back to back and if it was put up for vote, I would have voted not to move the date either and we are already looking forward to getting back to NED in September.

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Yes, I saw you Ed. Your son did a good job.
Unfortunately with my and my wifes work schedule it prohibited us from getting there any earlier.
As far as what was available for communication down below, it was NOT available up top behind the scales in the DIRT.
That's why we had to keep hanging around by the tech trailer to hear them call us.
I was NOT the only one that had issues.
You can ask anyone that was parked with us, even NHRA officials acknowledged the fact that nothing was working up top. NO text messages, NO radio, NO one coming by calling us to the lanes (except once), along with everything else I mentioned earlier about the lack of cans, lack of port-a-johns, etc, etc.

You are correct, I am a disgruntled NHRA member.
I "thought" that I would give them a second chance to prove me wrong, however, this past weekend just reinforced our thoughts.
The tough part is we love seeing the other racers, friends and the NHRA guys especially since we haven't been out much.

As you know I was at Maple Grove and LVD.
Both places I tried to slow my car down and did nothing but break parts.

And yes, I have the gear and the new converter ready to go.

On a good note my friend doubled up winning SC and TD.

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It was Ken's day, we were just in his way but Kyle had a great event, making his first final in only his 3rd national event.

That said, our sponsor has a quicker/faster TD than yours and he has managed to slow his down without breaking parts so it can be done. He too races PDRA but he also knows that the NHRA is the best of the best and that's why he competes at their events. He runner up to Mike Coughlin at Indy this weekend.

Frank, dig deep, think back to why you do this. Find the good in why you choose to compete at an NHRA rather than looking for the negative. You can still have fun without trying to be the quickest/fastest TD on the property and will probably turn on a few more win light too.

BTW, the radio station worked on my golf cart all the way at the turnoff/end of the track

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I wouldn't say Kyle was in his way. He was only .004 behind at the start, and yeah, Ken went .004 under, so getting in on that would have been spectacular!

Ken had one hell of a weekend, that's for sure!

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The Epping national has changed from the start witch was not too bad. After that pit spots were cut every year for reserved parking for stock holders and family which got larger. Also those motor homes in pit are mostly sold parking spots.Plus they removed a set of stands for them.leaving no place for racers and their family to watch the pro's. People don't know the track own a lot of land but won't spend the money to expanded and improve the track. Now with the loss of englishtown they feel they don't need to. I agree the track is very good,but management needs a kick in the butt. I would love to see someone with a racer's mind run it ,but that will not happen.This is all from someone who has been coming here since mid 60's. I hope it changes

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Ed,
Not here to have an argument, Kyle did a great job of driving...Congrats to you both on a great job. If you look at the entry list out of the 130 cars that were entered in the .90 classes only 28 were below New York and most were NJ & PA out of that 28. I’m not sure what Stock & SS had as far as demographics go. I went to Epping 4 years ago and was told when they got the National Event that within a few years a new tower and expansion was to be on the map to accommodate the National because of the great crowds they saw in the first couple of years. The back to back was just an idea because honestly as a promoter that works around the D1 schedule, 2020 is going to be interesting to say the least in Sept / Oct but, when you think about it everyone does the Lebanon Valley trip then hits Epping for two weekends in a row, might as well make it one trip as long as your stuff can stay there. It was just a thought to maybe increase car counts and save on the trip. Numidia is just a race that everyone will always make an excuse for not showing up, Bob could put up a $50,000 to win .90 race and probably wouldn’t get half the cars. Either way, we all have our thoughts and all wish E-Town was around still...heck, what would happen if we still had Cayuga and Sanair on the schedule...lol.

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Not here to have an argument either however I'll speak up when I read fake news/narrative and the constant complaining.

Again, thank You

NHRA, Mellow Yellow, Lucas Oil, Contingency sponsors, Division Directors, their staff... all the men and women that work these events, track owners, managers and their staffs, EMS personal, the fuel and tire companies that support these events and the communities that welcome us when in town supporting these events. Ignore the vocal minority, that complain for the sake of complaining, that think they are special, that want these events and rules changed to favor them, that think these events should revolve around them and their class, some who haven't supported these events in many years.

We the silent majority appreciate your efforts and want you to know they don't go unnoticed.


Signed

The NHRA Sportsman Racer

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Stock & Super Stock combined had 41 out of 97 entries that were from
NY, PA., & NJ.
Everyone else were from North of those states.

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the NHRA does not revolve around stock/super stock.

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Correct. This forum does I believe

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Maybe if we started speaking like they do on Street Outlaws NHRA would gain some young viewers.
“ I’m representing the 631, I run a small tire Nova NA car, I just got to go A to B in”
Lol.

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Not true. This forum should be called General Discussion cause that is what many of the topics including this one are.

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OK ED.

Since this is now a general discussion forum, does anybody want to hear about my colonoscopy?

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Sure Billy....

Lets start a discussion about who loved their colonoscopy and who hated their colonoscopy.....

I've had them done so I can relate.....LOL

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I've got pictures!

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Billy your colonoscopy definitely cost more than some Dime Rockets..

I had pictures too.....and I was told I had a great looking colon........go figure......


My insides look better than my outsides.....!

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Billy and Rich, you guys are killing me! Ed not so much.

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Read the forum title slowly and carefully - it's called "Stock and Super Stock" :rolleyes:

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don't care what it's called, what it is... General Discussion aka bitching and complaining about everything NHRA.

BTW, I've had 2 colonoscopies in the last 12 years, due for another.

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Not every 5 years like me??